Should the Jazz renegotiate and extend Favors next year?

[Hotdog]

If you want the 4 to shoot the 3 in this offense then you tell Favors to shoot it, and if all he hits is lower 30%, then you accept that. I bet that is where he'll shoot at the minimum. I'd rather keep his defense around, than swap him for a guy who doesn't play D and shoots higher 30%

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[Douchebag K]

If you want the 4 to shoot the 3 in this offense then you tell Favors to shoot it, and if all he hits is lower 30%, then you accept that. I bet that is where he'll shoot at the minimum. I'd rather keep his defense around, than swap him for a guy who doesn't play D and shoots higher 30%

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and disappears in the playoffs.

 

[NUMBERICA]

What weird stuff? Millsap's agent when he was with the Jazz was his uncle (or at least one of them). And Paul's agent said he hoped Utah wouldn't match the Portland offer and then was mad when he did.

K. And?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Anyway, I think it would be a really good idea. I certainly see the potential for everyone.

 

[Stifle Tower]

K. And?

Was responding to NAOS who claimed I wrote weird stuff about Millsap's uncle. None of what I wrote was "weird", IMO.

 

[Flc]

They should, and he'll probably stay. If Fav remains starting-PF calibre over the next several years I simply can't see him leaving Utah. Which I'm very fine with. Great dude.

I really hope that's the case as well - great guy, great player. I do think, in some ways, it's going to be contingent on Favors extending his range and continued chemistry between him and Gobert. I've read enough nuggets now indicating that Lindsey and Snyder both have questions about offensive spacing that make me think this is very much a discussion that's being had.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Was responding to NAOS who claimed I wrote weird stuff about Millsap's uncle. None of what I wrote was "weird", IMO.

I think that you're generally a good poster, but this rant you have been going on lately about the Jazz dissing Favors is weird. I hope that DF is not as prone to flying off the handle as a result of unsubstantiated rumors as you are.

And by the way, GM's discuss trading various players all the time, so it is silly to get so bent out of shape about this (especially because you regularly participate in discussions about trading players). Players have no choice but to accept the fact that trades can happen. You should too.

 

[Stoked]

I think that you're generally a good poster, but this rant you have been going on lately about the Jazz dissing Favors is weird. I hope that DF is not as prone to flying off the handle as a result of unsubstantiated rumors as you are.

And by the way, GM's discuss trading various players all the time, so it is silly to get so bent out of shape about this (especially because you regularly participate in discussions about trading players). Players have no choice but to accept the fact that trades can happen. You should too.

I agree

If a GM does not look at all possibilities then they are not fully doing their job imo. Anything that you find out, comes along or is brought up should be looked at as long as it takes to make an informed decision.

If that involves hearing out another teams pitch for Favors and then discussing it within your FO then so be it. Due diligence.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

and disappears in the playoffs.

Of course a player's performance will slip some in the playoffs. They are facing better teams, defenses, and player matchups. Millsap has a career regular season PER of 19.1. His cumulative playoffs PER is 18.1. He's been fine in the playoffs.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I agree

If a GM does not look at all possibilities then they are not fully doing their job imo. Anything that you find out, comes along or is brought up should be looked at as long as it takes to make an informed decision.

If that involves hearing out another teams pitch for Favors and then discussing it within your FO then so be it. Due diligence.

I think there's a huge difference between hearing a team's pitch and being the one trying to initiate talks. From the rumors we heard its Lindsey who is actively trying to trade Derrick. That's where I have an issue...if true. Of course a GM is going to listen to other GM's when they call.

 

[LogGrad98]

I have two questions: why?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think there's a huge difference between hearing a team's pitch and being the one trying to initiate talks. From the rumors we heard its Lindsey who is actively trying to trade Derrick. That's where I have an issue...if true. Of course a GM is going to listen to other GM's when they call.

If DL is shopping Favors he's not being public about it... or at least, he's not telling anyone but you. You talk as if you have sources. If so, cite them. Otherwise you might want to ramp back the drama.

 

[Stifle Tower]

If DL is shopping Favors he's not being public about it... or at least, he's not telling anyone but you. You talk as if you have sources. If so, cite them. Otherwise you might want to ramp back the drama.

Huh?
The rumor last year is that the Jazz wanted to trade up and were offering their pick + Favors. How is that not "shopping" Derrick?
And the rumor this year (granted it is shaky from Jody's source) is that the Jazz were interested in Millsap and were looking to trade Derrick.

In both cases, the rumors from sources were presented as if the Jazz were the instigators, not that they were merely listening to offers that had come their way. And what "drama" am I ramping up? I'm merely saying it appears the Jazz have tried to shop Derrick. And if I were him, I'd be offended. Wouldn't that be the case with any one of us?

 

[fishonjazz]

Huh?
The rumor last year is that the Jazz wanted to trade up and were offering their pick + Favors. How is that not "shopping" Derrick?
And the rumor this year (granted it is shaky from Jody's source) is that the Jazz were interested in Millsap and were looking to trade Derrick.

In both cases, the rumors from sources were presented as if the Jazz were the instigators, not that they were merely listening to offers that had come their way. And what "drama" am I ramping up? I'm merely saying it appears the Jazz have tried to shop Derrick. And if I were him, I'd be offended. Wouldn't that be the case with any one of us?

I don't think trade rumors = DL was definitely trying to trade favors.

Trade rumors could simply mean that other teams were contacting the jazz about favors ava the jazz listened.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't think trade rumors = DL was definitely trying to trade favors.

Trade rumors could simply mean that other teams were contacting the jazz about favors ava the jazz listened.

Seems like it got pretty serious last year before one of the teams backed out. As I recall, the sticking point was that more was wanted from the Jazz (Burks and another 1st rounder). Maybe I'm misremembering, but the story was that DL wouldn't include Alec...and then the trade fell apart. To me, that represents pretty good proof that DL was very willing to give up Derrick. And it's also one of the reasons I tend to believe Jody's source.

 

[fishonjazz]

Seems like it got pretty serious last year before one of the teams backed out. As I recall, the sticking point was that more was wanted from the Jazz (Burks and another 1st rounder). Maybe I'm misremembering, but the story was that DL wouldn't include Alec...and then the trade fell apart. To me, that represents pretty good proof that DL was very willing to give up Derrick. And it's also one of the reasons I tend to believe Jody's source.

DL should listen to offers especially when the offer is wiggins. I don't see the problem. No player on our team is untradeable. I would trade any of our guys for steph or the brow. Does that mean I don't value favors or I want him gone? I don't think so.

 

[Stifle Tower]

DL should listen to offers especially when the offer is wiggins. I don't see the problem. No player on our team is untradeable. I would trade any of our guys for steph or the brow. Does that mean I don't value favors or I want him gone? I don't think so.

So then we don't have a problem. Whether DL has initiated or reacted to queries, Favors has been shopped. And I doubt ANY player likes hearing his name come up year after year in rumors. I know it's not the same in the corporate world, but if I heard Disney was trying to get me "traded" to WB or Universal, I wouldn't have the same sense of loyalty for my employer. And the next time I came up for a contract, I'd try to squeeze every last dollar I could out of them.

 

[Maneesh]

So then we don't have a problem. Whether DL has initiated or reacted to queries, Favors has been shopped. And I doubt ANY player likes hearing his name come up year after year in rumors. I know it's not the same in the corporate world, but if I heard Disney was trying to get me "traded" to WB or Universal, I wouldn't have the same sense of loyalty for my employer. And the next time I came up for a contract, I'd try to squeeze every last dollar I could out of them.

Are you still say we can trade Favors? I saw this this morning and I see again now all day with this one huh?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Huh?
The rumor last year is that the Jazz wanted to trade up and were offering their pick + Favors. How is that not "shopping" Derrick?
And the rumor this year (granted it is shaky from Jody's source) is that the Jazz were interested in Millsap and were looking to trade Derrick.

In both cases, the rumors from sources were presented as if the Jazz were the instigators, not that they were merely listening to offers that had come their way. And what "drama" am I ramping up? I'm merely saying it appears the Jazz have tried to shop Derrick. And if I were him, I'd be offended. Wouldn't that be the case with any one of Rus?

You ought to look up the definition of "rumor."

 

[infection]

Whether DL has initiated or reacted to queries, Favors has been shopped.

This is a rather inclusive definition of being shopped. It's akin to saying anything you've gotten an appraisal on implies intent to sell. I'm not certain that there's a player in the league who isn't "on the block" by this criteria.