TSQ: Rudy/Fav - The Top 25 Big Men 25 And Under

[BabyPeterzz]

I have no idea if this site is any good, but they love Rudy and Fav. As they should.

#Ihatetheoffseason

https://thesportsquotient.com/nba/2015/7/27/the-top-25-big-men-25-and-under

2. Rudy Gobert, 23, Utah Jazz, 9.3 WS, 15.1 WP, 5.8 BPM
Had Rudy Gobert not been the runner-up based on numbers, the Frenchman would have been for owning one of the best nicknames in the game.
The Stifle Tower was unleashed last year after the Jazz traded disgruntled big man Enes Kanter to Oklahoma City at the trade deadline. Gobert’s points per game increased from 6.9 to 11.1 and his rebounds per game increased from 7.3 to 13.4 (!!), which would have been third in the league, only 0.1 rpg behind Andre Drummond for second. His +/- number increased from -1.2 to 2.3.
And after he was given Kanter’s minutes, Gobert forced himself into conversations for both Most Improved Player (he came in third) and Defensive Player of the Year (finishing fifth). The Jazz, in turn, became the league’s best defensive team after the All-Star break, allowing the fewest ppg in the league. The team was also tied for first in rpg.
The 7‘2, 240 lbs. center shares Davis’ crazy length. He has an unprecedented 7‘8 wingspan that allows him an extremely extended range when protecting the rim. Ask Andrew Wiggins. Or Shabazz Muhammad. Or these three unfortunate Los Angeles Clippers:

Via https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com
(It should be noted that he comes from out of position on all three of those plays to block those poor fellows’ shots.)
His length also allowed him to feast on the glass last year. He was third in the league in blocks per game behind Davis and Serge Ibaka at 2.3 BPG. He was only 14th in RPG at 9.5; however, he was fifth in total rebound percentage at 20.7 percent.
On the offensive end, he’s not quite as polished with only 8.4 ppg. His game consists mostly of dunks and garbage points a la Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Jordan. But with Derrick Favors sharing floor time with him, his role on offense doesn’t have to be as large. And he still has plenty of time to work on his back-to-the-basket game.
Gobert is the most exciting defensive big in the league. You never know when his Mrs. Incredible extend-o-arms will come out of nowhere and swat away what looked to be a surefire layup. The impact he makes on the defensive end is unparalleled and if he can provide anything close to average offensive production, expect him to sign a hefty contract in 2017.

4. Derrick Favors, 24, Utah Jazz, 8.3 WS, 8.9 WP, 2.4 BPM
Utah’s frontcourt is loaded. It’s primed to take the Memphis Grizzlies’ title of “Best Frontcourt Duo in the League” assuming the team can keep both Gobert and Favors in the future.
Favors is better than Gobert right now though. He’s more well-rounded and touts a much more advanced offensive game. He put up 16 points and a bit more than eight rebounds a game last season while he and Gordon Hayward had the Jazz almost seriously contending for the West’s eighth and final playoff spot.
The 6‘10, 260 lbs. former Georgia Tech standout was the third pick in the 2010 draft by the New Jersey Nets. He was quickly traded to Utah in the deal that jettisoned point guard Deron Williams out of Salt Lake, and has steadily grown ever since.
Unlike Gobert and Green, Favors didn’t shoot into the starlight when his turn came around. He’s been the quintessential “project” who’s needed time on a bad team to develop into the player he is now (and will be in the upcoming seven-plus seasons). He’s nearly doubled his scoring output since he was traded to the Jazz, and he’s grabbing three more rebounds a game now than he was in his early days in Salt Lake City.
He also shot the eighth best FG% (.525) in the league last season.
Although he’s a bit turnover-prone, his offensive game should continue to flourish now that all-offense, no-defense Kanter is gone. With a defensive minded Gobert as his frontcourt mate, Favors will command the post on the offensive end. Those two and Hayward are going to lead a fun, young Jazz team that, if it can stay healthy, could very well be good enough to make the playoffs.

 

[RandyForRubio]

That's a terrible list.

 

[LogGrad98]

20.* Enes Kanter, 23, Oklahoma City Thunder, 6.4 WS, 5.1 WP, -2.1 BPM
*Three players tied for twentieth.
I do not hold a high opinion of Mr. Kanter’s basketball game. He might be the only thing from Switzerland that I don’t have a fondness for.
Kanter is an offensive star, no question. He can fill it up from the paint, as evidenced by his 18.7 PPG mark with the Thunder after he was traded by the Jazz last season. He also recorded 11 RPG for OKC and was fourth in the league in ORPG.
The problem is, he’s one of, if not the worst defender in the NBA. He allows 65 percent (!) shooting at the rim. That is not good.
He also posted the worst BPM of any player qualified for this list by -1.1 points (!!!).
Yet somehow he just inked a four-year, $70 million dollar deal. Offense wins championships, apparently.

Hmm.

 

[LogGrad98]

Btw that 65% for Kanter at the rim is historically bad for a big. Meaning he is a generational talent at sucking at defense. He is the ultimate worst case scenario really. Good enough on offense to deceive you into thinking he is good for your team while really being a huge net-negative. HUGE net-negative. Good riddance, and if all we get out of it is a 7'3" backup big that has 1/100 of Kanters offensive game, but 1000x his defensive game, then we win that trade so epically OKC should resign. Meaning the whole franchise should quit in shame. This alone will keep Durant from ever winning there.

We could pull off the ultimate ****-you to OKC if we could get Durant to sign here when he is a free agent. Could you imagine Durant anchoring the team with Favors and Gobert protecting the paint? My nether-regions get all tingly.

 

[♪alt13]

That's a terrible list.

It's actually not that bad. Dieng is too high but not by that much. Boogie has the second most talent(behind brow) but just doesn't do enough of the things that win games. If you move Dieng back and Boogie up to a tie with Faried the list looks about right to me.

1 Brow
2 Gobzilla
3 Green
4 Favors
5 Monroe
6 Drummond
7 Faried/Boogie
9 Dieng
10 Mirotic

 

[RandyForRubio]

Boogie is waaaaaaay too low. I get he has attitude issues, but he's good. And Dieng isn't that good at all.

 

[Hekate]

Dieng is incapable of raising his arms. Not good at all.

 

[RJF]

Btw that 65% for Kanter at the rim is historically bad for a big. Meaning he is a generational talent at sucking at defense. He is the ultimate worst case scenario really. Good enough on offense to deceive you into thinking he is good for your team while really being a huge net-negative. HUGE net-negative. Good riddance, and if all we get out of it is a 7'3" backup big that has 1/100 of Kanters offensive game, but 1000x his defensive game, then we win that trade so epically OKC should resign. Meaning the whole franchise should quit in shame. This alone will keep Durant from ever winning there.

We could pull off the ultimate ****-you to OKC if we could get Durant to sign here when he is a free agent. Could you imagine Durant anchoring the team with Favors and Gobert protecting the paint? My nether-regions get all tingly.

You should get that checked.

 

[fishonjazz]

Btw that 65% for Kanter at the rim is historically bad for a big. Meaning he is a generational talent at sucking at defense.

So kanter is to defense what trey is to shooting/pps/ts% basically right?

 

[fishonjazz]

It's actually not that bad. Dieng is too high but not by that much. Boogie has the second most talent(behind brow) but just doesn't do enough of the things that win games. If you move Dieng back and Boogie up to a tie with Faried the list looks about right to me.

1 Brow
2 Gobzilla
3 Green
4 Favors
5 Monroe
6 Drummond
7 Faried/Boogie
9 Dieng
10 Mirotic

I like what you have done with dieng but boogie needs to be top 5 at least. Probably top three

 

[Jazz and Utes]

Should be
1. AD
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2. Boogie
3. Gobert
4. Green
5. Drummond
6. Favors

 

[framer]

Should be
1. AD
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2. Boogie
3. Gobert
4. Green
5. Drummond
6. Favors

Gobert wins games, at some point Cousin's inability to win starts to rest a little on him. You would have to be a fool to pick Cousins over Gobert in anything but fantasy basketball.

 

[aussietin]

Did that just say kanter was from Switzerland? Isn't that... Incorrect?

 

[fgcamel]

Did that just say kanter was from Switzerland? Isn't that... Incorrect?

Place of birth for real doe

 

[Stoked]

Am I the only one that thinks Green is being over rated a little bit?

AD
Boogie
Gobert
Drummond
Favors
Green
Monroe

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They really hate Cousins, tying him with Mirotic and Valacinuas?

 

[fishonjazz]

Am I the only one that thinks Green is being over rated a little bit?

AD
Boogie
Gobert
Drummond
Favors
Green
Monroe

I like your list allot
I probably put favors ahead of drummond though...... I do think drummond has a good chance to be better than favors in a few years but isn't there yet

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Just realized this is based on a stats thing, not an opinion ranking

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I like your list allot
I probably put favors ahead of drummond though...... I do think drummond has a good chance to be better than favors in a few years but isn't there yet

Drummond isn't even close.

He can't hit FT's.

 

[fishonjazz]

Drummond isn't even close.

He can't hit FT's.

Neither could shaq or Dwight or Ben Wallace
Just saying..... Free throws are not everything.

Favors is better at scoring and passing and all around right now but drummond is a better defender, rebounder, and has crazy athleticism, size, and strength to be really special someday.

And I'm not arguing with you..... Clearly stated that stoked list should have favors ahead of drummond