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stitches said:
Expected: Keep the monstrous defense and smother teams on the interior. Finish top 5 defense in the league. Marginal improvements offensively... less possessions in final 4 seconds of possessions, higher pace. Attempts at integration of Lyles with mixed results. Finishing position in the West - 7th-9th

Elated: Keep the monstrous defense and smother teams on the interior. Top defense in the league for the full season. Incredible improvements offensively - the offense is free flowing, quick. The countless passes around the perimeter from last year turn into more direct and purposeful attempts at creating open shots. Hood, Burks and Hayward turn into monster wing rotation and two of them shoot around the 40s from 3. Favors continues offensive improvements(better jumpshot, better post game) and becomes a legitimate all-star candidate. Burke gets rid of his hero-complex and distributes the ball to the better players on the team or Neto emerges as useful NBA player. Finishing position in the West - 4th-6th

Disappointed: The defense reverts to previous years and Jazz can't get into the top 10 in D. The worries about the compatibility of Gobert and Favors from before last season turn out to be real, their defense is still good , but they are not enough to cover for Burke and Burks and the team turns into an average-ish defensive unit, while the offensive fit turns out to be horrible and the spacing suffers with Gobert and Favors clogging the paint and Burke keeping chucking. Finishing position in the West - 11th-13th
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Your disappointed outlook could be a realistic scenario, hope Jazzfanz is ready. You also forgot Exum whose 6'10" wingspan made life painful for opposing PGs. And little Sap too hounded wings into submission. Watching Pau go for 40 on Rudy, we are reminded defense will only be as good as the weakest link.
 
Here's a table made by RealGM and reddit user KqWIN about expected wins depending on defensive and offensive rating and point differential in the league:

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stitches said:
Here's a table made by RealGM and reddit user KqWIN about expected wins depending on defensive and offensive rating and point differential in the league:

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Where are the team names?

Where does it say how many games each team is projected to win?

I just see lots of numbers and some colors that mean nothing to me
 
fishonjazz said:
Where are the team names?

Where does it say how many games each team is projected to win?

I just see lots of numbers and some colors that mean nothing to me
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The axes appear to be the league rankings for each category, so if a team is first in defense and 23rd in offense this chart predicts 51.1 wins. Green means more wins, red means less wins. I have no idea how the chart was compiled, though.

I doubt it's very accurate.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The axes appear to be the league rankings for each category, so if a team is first in defense and 23rd in offense this chart predicts 51.1 wins. Green means more wins, red means less wins. I have no idea how the chart was compiled, though.

I doubt it's very accurate.
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It's compiled by taking into account data from the last 10 seasons. I don't know the exact regression model used.
 
[size/HUGE] boobs [/size];1118656 said:
Disappointed if Jazz do not obtain high draft pick to get a star.
Satisfied if Jazz make trade for star like Kobe without giving up core of Favors Burke Burks Gobert Hayward Hood.
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Disappointed if the Jazz take management advice from Boobs.
 
ekimebirt said:
Based on what I am seeing, I am expecting a very angry forum here at Jazzfanz. I expect a record between 43 and 50 wins and battling for the playoffs. I expect to fall just short. I expect to see continued growth and to be excited about the team, the defense, and direction but the west is still too good, particularly without Exum.

I will be disappointed if we fail to make the playoffs, if Trey Burke does not make significant improvement and our defense levels off to just above average.

I will be elated if the Jazz win a playoff series.
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The west is too good = the Jazz just aren't very good

If the Jazz are a good NBA team then they don't need to be afraid of how good the west is. There is no waiting around for every other team in the NBA to not be so good so that the Jazz can win a championship. If a team wants to compete for a title they have to be ready to beat really good teams. That's how it works.

I'm sick of people talking about how good the west is as if that's a valid excuse for the Jazz not making the playoffs. If the Jazz can't get even the 8th seed then we've got no one to blame other than the Jazz.
 
Gameface said:
The west is too good = the Jazz just aren't very good

If the Jazz are a good NBA team then they don't need to be afraid of how good the west is. There is no waiting around for every other team in the NBA to not be so good so that the Jazz can win a championship. If a team wants to compete for a title they have to be ready to beat really good teams. That's how it works.

I'm sick of people talking about how good the west is as if that's a valid excuse for the Jazz not making the playoffs. If the Jazz can't get even the 8th seed then we've got no one to blame other than the Jazz.
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I think you have to also consider that the jazz are still very young with core players just getting to their primes and a couple core players not there yet, and have a 2nd year head coach.

Memphis has gasol, conley, and randolph
Clipps have Blake and cp3
Thunder have ibaka, durant, and westbrook
Spurs have popovich, duncan, parker, ginobli, aldridge
Houston... Harden and howard.

If the jazz miss the playoffs it doesn't necessarily mean they are not good. It might just mean that they are young and not quite up to the level of some of these teams with star veterans that have been around longer.

The cake is in the oven and baking though. Timer just has not went off yet.

We are not all that far into the rebuild
 
Gameface said:
The west is too good = the Jazz just aren't very good

If the Jazz are a good NBA team then they don't need to be afraid of how good the west is. There is no waiting around for every other team in the NBA to not be so good so that the Jazz can win a championship. If a team wants to compete for a title they have to be ready to beat really good teams. That's how it works.

I'm sick of people talking about how good the west is as if that's a valid excuse for the Jazz not making the playoffs. If the Jazz can't get even the 8th seed then we've got no one to blame other than the Jazz.
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Exact. I am the most up for games against the Thunder, Rockets, Cavs...bring it on!
 
fishonjazz said:
I think you have to also consider that the jazz are still very young with core players just getting to their primes and a couple core players not there yet, and have a 2nd year head coach.

Memphis has gasol, conley, and randolph
Clipps have Blake and cp3
Thunder have ibaka, durant, and westbrook
Spurs have popovich, duncan, parker, ginobli, aldridge
Houston... Harden and howard.

If the jazz miss the playoffs it doesn't necessarily mean they are not good. It might just mean that they are young and not quite up to the level of some of these teams with star veterans that have been around longer.

The cake is in the oven and baking though. Timer just has not went off yet.

We are not all that far into the rebuild
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Three years ago the Jazz were three years away from being contenders...

The treadmill doesn't stop.

The Jazz are sort of young, but it's not like we've got a team full of rookies.
 
Gameface said:
Three years ago the Jazz were three years away from being contenders...

The treadmill doesn't stop.

The Jazz are sort of young, but it's not like we've got a team full of rookies.
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you gonna start watching games again soon?
 
NAOS said:
you gonna start watching games again soon?
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I was planning on it since everyone has been saying how good the team is. But I didn't realize what they meant was that the Jazz are good at basketball, they just aren't as good at it as most of the other NBA teams are.

So I guess maybe not. Maybe I'll wait three years or however long it will be until Hayward and Favors have moved on and we're back at square one again.
 
Gameface said:
Three years ago the Jazz were three years away from being contenders...

The treadmill doesn't stop.

The Jazz are sort of young, but it's not like we've got a team full of rookies.
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Compare the age of the jazz core players, or their starters, or their whole team against the western conference playoff teams.

It is simply a fact that they are young. It is not my opinion or something.

Look at the rebuilds of teams like philly, minnesota, boston, detroit, etc.

Our rebuild is kicking their rebuilds ***..... And make no mistake, we are still rebuilding even if we are near the end of it.

Three years ago we had millsap, jefferson, earl watson, randy foye, etc. We were the definition of a treadmill team.

The fact that we are even talking about the playoffs and being contenders after casting off our best veterans, having a tank year, and getting a new gm and coach is very impressive.

I guarantee the rest of the league is taking note and wanting to emulate our rebuild.
 
fishonjazz said:
Compare the age of the jazz core players, or their starters, or their whole team against the western conference playoff teams.

It is simply a fact that they are young. It is not my opinion or something.

Look at the rebuilds of teams like philly, minnesota, boston, detroit, etc.

Our rebuild is kicking their rebuilds ***..... And make no mistake, we are still rebuilding even if we are near the end of it.

Three years ago we had millsap, jefferson, earl watson, randy foye, etc. We were the definition of a treadmill team.

The fact that we are even talking about the playoffs and being contenders after a casting off our best veterans, having a tank year, and getting a new gm and coach is very impressive.

I guarantee the rest of the league is taking note and wanting to emulate our rebuild.
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I'm totally with you, except that I see a team with a great rebuild like ours as a team that should make the playoffs and be competitive in the playoffs, because if just that is still a year or two away then the trajectory doesn't point towards a championship at all, it points towards maybe one day having home court advantage in the first round before it's time for another rebuild.

All I'm saying is that if there's nothing special about this team then that's fine. But if there is then the team should do special things, like make some noise in the playoffs this year. Have a strong enough record this season to easily make the playoffs. Stuff like that, where they defy their age and all the rest and win anyway.
 
Gameface said:
I'm totally with you, except that I see a team with a great rebuild like ours as a team that should make the playoffs and be competitive in the playoffs, because if just that is still a year or two away then the trajectory doesn't point towards a championship at all, it points towards maybe one day having home court advantage in the first round before it's time for another rebuild.

All I'm saying is that if there's nothing special about this team then that's fine. But if there is then the team should do special things, like make some noise in the playoffs this year. Have a strong enough record this season to easily make the playoffs. Stuff like that, where they defy their age and all the rest and win anyway.
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One way to do it is to become contenders with lots of very good players growing together and having great chemistry and coaching as they all grow up and hit their primes together.

Another way is to become contenders way before anyone expects them to with a bunch of young over achievers.

Another way is to have a bunch of high value players on good contracts and trade for a legit superstar.

The jazz are in a good position to be able to do all three!

I hope for the second scenario, just like you do, but realize that might not be the scenario that happens.

I personally believe that we have the players on the roster right now to be contenders but that we just won't know it for certain until 2 seasons from now
 
If we miss the playoffs it might mean we are not going to be very good with this roster.

It also might mean that we are just too young and not ready yet and we will be contenders in a couple years.

Hell even if we look great and win a playoff series that doesn't mean that we will automatically continue to get better and get to a championship contender level.
 
I expected Rudy to beast
I'll be elated if the Jazz win the Championship in the really tough west
I'm disappointed in the behavior of NAOS

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