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They're not the ones doing the testing. Carry on though.

Corporations have a long history of bringing harmful chemicals to market with full knowledge that the testing infrastructure of the government would lack the sophistication to notice its deleterious impacts
 
Good grief kid, you don't listen.

The reason you couldn't feed the world on organic crops isn't because of the reduced yield, it's because of the increased work load. You're not going to get enough people to work, hell, we can barely get enough people to work on farms right now! If you think the only downside is to organic crops is reduced yield, then you're beyond out of touch. I've detailed most of it already in this thread, but apparently you're just gonna pass it on by. But don't listen to me, I don't know anything about the agriculture business. Nothing at all.

Anyways, yes Monsanto owns a lot of seeds. They don't own all of them. Colleges still own quite a few, as well as many other companies. Westbred, Croplan, I could go on and on. It's not like I enjoy paying royalties to these companies to grow crops, but they are better products than the past. It's not as big of a problem as you think. If people followed the rules they wouldn't get sued...I don't know if you're familiar with how it works, but the buyer (farmers) sign a contract stating they won't regrow the seed from that crop. Many farmers still grow a crop from that seed. Then they get pissed when they get sued for breaking a contract they signed. Sure some of the rules are dumb, but we still have to follow them. If you're going to talk about diversity of varieties available...then well...I don't know what to tell you. There's more wheat varieties than there have ever been. More pea varieties than ever. Corn is increasing, same with soybeans. There are more potato varieties than ever. People are always trying to create new varieties, to breed the next great variety. I can't even keep up with them and I try to follow them fairly close. I guess that's not diverse enough tho.

That article you posted is garbage btw. Awful research.

1) Most conventional farmers employ a multiple year rotation with different crops. For example, our farm has a 5 year rotation with 4 different crops. There are still people who do straight wheat, which is obviously a problem, but it's something that is being stressed and eliminated.

2) They're comparing a multiple crop rotation organic yield to a straight crop (no rotation) conventional yield. Literally apples to oranges. I could detail why, but I honestly don't think you're interested in learning. If you are, ask and I'll explain.

This is my job Dala. My life. Maybe I seem like some corporate hack to you, but I can assure you that I care about what I do, and I want to ensure my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren can do what I do. With our practices our soils have dramatically improved over the last 50 years that we've owned it. We are in constant touch with world renowned scientists. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this subject, I can assure you of that.
 
Corporations have a long history of bringing harmful chemicals to market with full knowledge that the testing infrastructure of the government would lack the sophistication to notice its deleterious impacts

lololololololol

Compare the chemicals we use today to the stuff that was around 20 years ago. If you can't see the progress, then you aren't trying. You don't have to believe me, because I know all corporations are evil, but the chemicals we have now are safe. When you can find me proof that they aren't, I'll be here waiting.






/gonna be waiting a long *** time
 
Fwiw, looking at raw yield instead of quality yield is kind of backwards. Harder to research of course, but still important. For example, if I get high yields in my wheat crop, but have low protein, it's going to end up costing me money. If I get a high tonnage in potatoes, but lots of disease/other various issues, I don't end up having a good crop, I end up having a lot of product that I have to throw away.
 
Fwiw, looking at raw yield instead of quality yield is kind of backwards. Harder to research of course, but still important. For example, if I get high yields in my wheat crop, but have low protein, it's going to end up costing me money. If I get a high tonnage in potatoes, but lots of disease/other various issues, I don't end up having a good crop, I end up having a lot of product that I have to throw away.

Farmers are the root of our country.
The love of money/greed of bottom-line-at-all-costs bigcorp is the devil. (yes, I said it)

I protest (albeit a la Gamaface) the bad **** being introduced for "efficiencies"/money.

I also see the "organic" crowd getting in on the greed thing. The whole thing sickens me. All of it.

On one hand I am for the 'man' creating his way and g'ment staying out of it. On the other, it's disgusting what people/corps will do to get theirs.
 
Farmers are the root of our country.
The love of money/greed of bottom-line-at-all-costs bigcorp is the devil. (yes, I said it)

I protest (albeit a la Gamaface) the bad **** being introduced for "efficiencies"/money.

I also see the "organic" crowd getting in on the greed thing. The whole thing sickens me. All of it.

On one hand I am for the 'man' creating his way and g'ment staying out of it. On the other, it's disgusting what people/corps will do to get theirs.

What bad stuff are we introducing? I want to produce a quality product, I'm not able to do that on a large scale without chemicals. It's simple as that.
 
What bad stuff are we introducing? I want to produce a quality product, I'm not able to do that on a large scale without chemicals. It's simple as that.

I will list the chemicals I disapprove of us in the next post. They are specific and I have concerns.. I don't blame 'you' for anything, at all. I think 'you' are the anchor of our country (no hyperbole). I'm talking BIG producers. Smithfield, i.e.
 
How do you know this to be 100% fact?

I don't. I should have said, as far as we know, with all of the studies that we have done, the chemicals are safe when used in the way prescribed on the label. That fair?

If we stop using these chemicals because we're afraid they might hurt us, agriculture will effectively collapse. The people most at risk are those applying it. People eating it have practically nothing to worry about.
 
There are ways to work around this, that farmers all over the world already do.



This is probably the real reason


This was the one post you made regarding organic seed. Same as always. “Ways around it, but I won’t specify.”

You claim you give specifics, but you rarely, if ever, do.

I actually would like to hear your response on what these ways are...since it is done around the world, by many farmers, you should have great data to pull from.
 
Both parents farmed for generations, grandfather had a farm until he passed away, I've probably participated in 3-4 harvests thus far in my life (organic ones). Farmers by and large don't give a ****.

Your implication of organic farming resulting in world hunger is simply an inaccurate one.

This is like me saying my mom is a nurse, my grandmother was a nurse, my sister is a doctor, and I’ve been to the doctor before...so I can definitively tell you about the whole industry.

But for sure dude, you know more about what farmers think than the farmer here. You’re always a joy.
 
I'm not buying that Monsanto marketing that we couldn't feed ourselves without them.

I'm reminded of this quote often:

"It is unknown to us when you first became aware that what you thought was your consciousness was, in actuality, a mish-mash of all of the politics and social training and enculturation that you have experienced"
 
I'm not buying that Monsanto marketing that we couldn't feed ourselves without them.

I'm reminded of this quote often:

"It is unknown to us when you first became aware that what you thought was your consciousness was, in actuality, a mish-mash of all of the politics and social training and enculturation that you have experienced"

Of course we could feed ourselves without Monsanto.

Would be slightly more difficult, but we could do it. Who says otherwise?
 
I just took the under on the Strawman vs the Flamethrower.
 
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