Official UofU homer thread

[7StraightIsGreat]

Thank God Utah's coaching staff and players won't be as dismissive of USC as their fans are because if that were the case, they'd get their asses handed to them this Saturday.

 

[fishonjazz]

Absolutely. The difference between us and them? We win our games, even with injuries.

Depends on who gets injured and when and how bad the injuries are.

Let's say Wilson gets injured in game one and is out for the year. And booker missed the year for some mysterious reason that no one knows. Then bookers backup goes down. Then his backup goes down. Then the utes best defensive player on the team goes down for 4 games. And against Michigan in game one you have 3 starters suspended.

What do you think the utes record would be in that scenario? (That is what byu has dealt with btw)

Like bawse dog said. Every team has injuries.
Utes have been blessed with no major injuries to their indespensible players in big games.

 

[fishonjazz]

We win our games, even with injuries.

So does michigan state, tcu, Ohio state, teledo, baylor, and any other undefeated team left.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

To be fair, Booker is a tiiinnnnnny bit better than BYU's RB. The suspensions are kinda their own fault and Taysom Hill is jealous of people who are made of glass.

 

[green]

Depends on who gets injured and when and how bad the injuries are.

Let's say Wilson gets injured in game one and is out for the year. And booker missed the year for some mysterious reason that no one knows. Then bookers backup goes down. Then his backup goes down. Then the utes best defensive player on the team goes down for 4 games. And against Michigan in game one you have 3 starters suspended.

What do you think the utes record would be in that scenario? (That is what byu has dealt with btw)

Like bawse dog said. Every team has injuries.
Utes have been blessed with no major injuries to their indespensible players in big games.

Ha ha. Do we get two lucky hail Mary's as well?

If you want to take this to the BYU thread, we can. I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up here.

BYU is the luckiest team in college football. Has any team ever won two games in one season on hail Mary's?

As far as depth for BYU, that's BYU's fault. They had great recruiting classes before they went Indy. Now their classes are terrible. That's on BYU. No luck there.

Again, if you want to continue this conversation, let me know and I'll head over to the BYU thread to talk about BYU.

This thread is the Utah thread, not BYU thread.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ha ha. Do we get two lucky hail Mary's as well?

If you want to take this to the BYU thread, we can. I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up here.

BYU is the luckiest team in college football. Has any team ever won two games in one season on hail Mary's?

As far as depth for BYU, that's BYU's fault. They had great recruiting classes before they went Indy. Now their classes are terrible. That's on BYU. No luck there.

Again, if you want to continue this conversation, let me know and I'll head over to the BYU thread to talk about BYU.

This thread is the Utah thread, not BYU thread.

Ok, forget byu.
My point was that the type of injuries, the timing of the injuries and the players who get injured make a difference.
Do you disagree with that? Do you think that utah would be undefeated if Wilson missed the whole season and booker missed 4 games or so and their best defensive player was out during their most crucial (toughest) games?

 

[green]

So does michigan state, tcu, Ohio state, teledo, baylor, and any other undefeated team left.

Yup. That's why they are so good. Football is a sport of attrition. And depth. The really good teams have it. The mediocre teams don't. That's why a non-P5 should never be in the playoffs. They don't have the depth to compete, no matter how good their starters are.

Look at Utah. They have had 9 starters miss time due to injury. Boise, Utah State, BYU, Toledo, Temple, Memphis couldn't lose 9 starters at one time or another and remain undefeated.

 

[fishonjazz]

To be fair, Booker is a tiiinnnnnny bit better than BYU's RB. The suspensions are kinda their own fault and Taysom Hill is jealous of people who are made of glass.

Agreed.
My point still was whether or not Utah would be undefeated if they were missing their best, most crucial players, for lots of games and during their toughest games.

Utah has been phenomenal and what they have done has been simply amazing but green made it sound like utah has done all of this despite being unfortunate with injuries.
I think utah has been very fortunate injury wise.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yup. That's why they are so good. Football is a sport of attrition. And depth. The really good teams have it. The mediocre teams don't. That's why a non-P5 should never be in the playoffs. They don't have the depth to compete, no matter how good their starters are.

Look at Utah. They have had 9 starters miss time due to injury. Boise, Utah State, BYU, Toledo, Temple, Memphis couldn't lose 9 starters at one time or another and remain undefeated.

Yeah, I mean ever team should be forced to play their 2nd and 3rd string for an entire game to see what they should really be ranked.

 

[green]

Ok, forget byu.
My point was that the type of injuries, the timing of the injuries and the players who get injured make a difference.
Do you disagree with that? Do you think that utah would be undefeated if Wilson missed the whole season and booker missed 4 games or so and their best defensive player was out during their most crucial (toughest) games?

Injuries are huge. That's why I don't think non P5 teams should be in the playoffs.

If Utah lost Wilson for the year, would they be undefeated right now? I don't know. Maybe. Utah is winning because of their defense. They might still be undefeated.

What if Booker went down? That would be rough. BUT, Utah has had a very solid run game for a long time and we put another RB in all the time.

Injuries are tough. But Utah has a lot of depth. Depth that most teams don't have.

That's why they are undefeated.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yup. That's why they are so good. Football is a sport of attrition. And depth. The really good teams have it. The mediocre teams don't. That's why a non-P5 should never be in the playoffs. They don't have the depth to compete, no matter how good their starters are.

Look at Utah. They have had 9 starters miss time due to injury. Boise, Utah State, BYU, Toledo, Temple, Memphis couldn't lose 9 starters at one time or another and remain undefeated.

So utah in 2004 should have had no opportunity to be in the playoffs?
Amazing how you have turned into the type of fan you used to hate when utah was in the mcw.

P.S. I included toledo in my post of teams that were able to go undefeated despite injuries. You dont have to be p5 to win with injuries.
Hell even with byu being about the unluckiest injury situation possible they still beat a p5 team on the road and damn near beat the top pac12 team (at the time) on the road.

 

[fishonjazz]

Injuries are huge. That's why I don't think non P5 teams should be in the playoffs.

If Utah lost Wilson for the year, would they be undefeated right now? I don't know. Maybe. Utah is winning because of their defense. They might still be undefeated.

What if Booker went down? That would be rough. BUT, Utah has had a very solid run game for a long time and we put another RB in all the time.

Injuries are tough. But Utah has a lot of depth. Depth that most teams don't have.

That's why they are undefeated.

How much depth though. Byu had their starting qb out for the year and then their backup too. Also, jamaal williams was out for the year, then alge brown went down, then francis bernard, then adam hine. byu was down to their 5th string running back.
How would utah do in that situation. (3rd string qb and 5th string running back)

Again, my point was that utah has been fortunate with injuries so far. They have not had to use much depth

 

[Jazz and Utes]

Taysom is a stud but I seriously think it was the best case scenario, I personally love Mangum dude can throw straight bombs, and with BYUs tall WRs I think you get more out of them with a pocket passer that isn't constantly hurt....Taysom will go down with Luke Staley imo as one of the major unknowns of what they really could've accomplished had it not been for stupid injuries.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Injuries are huge. That's why I don't think non P5 teams should be in the playoffs.

If Utah lost Wilson for the year, would they be undefeated right now? I don't know. Maybe. Utah is winning because of their defense. They might still be undefeated.

What if Booker went down? That would be rough. BUT, Utah has had a very solid run game for a long time and we put another RB in all the time.

Injuries are tough. But Utah has a lot of depth. Depth that most teams don't have.

That's why they are undefeated.

Everyone loses when their offensive line goes down, especially Center.

I don't know about College, but teams only win 20% of the 1st games in the NFL they play without their regular starting center.

 

[fishonjazz]

Taysom is a stud but I seriously think it was the best case scenario, I personally love Mangum dude can throw straight bombs, and with BYUs tall WRs I think you get more out of them with a pocket passer that isn't constantly hurt....Taysom will go down with Luke Staley imo as one of the major unknowns of what they really could've accomplished had it not been for stupid injuries.

I take sr taysom hill over freshman mangum 10 times out of 10. Taysom looked fantastic passing the ball in the nebraska game btw. even his incomplete passes were on the money. Thank god byu had depth at the qb position though

 

[fishonjazz]

Look at Utah. They have had 9 starters miss time due to injury.

Thats weak. What 9 starters were they and how much time did they miss and against what teams?

I have watched a decent amount of ute games this year and their most recognizable names to me are Wilson, booker, covey, scott, paul, and dimmick.
How many games have those guys missed? What teams did they miss the time against? These questions matter when you are discussing how bad the injury bug has hit a team.

 

[Jazz and Utes]

I take sr taysom hill over freshman mangum 10 times out of 10. Taysom looked fantastic passing the ball in the nebraska game btw. even his incomplete passes were on the money. Thank god byu had depth at the qb position though

Well of course I'd take Sr Taysom over Fr Mangum as well but I think for the future it works out well for you guys...I watched the Nebraska game taysom was straight baling but the whole game I kept asking when is this gut gonna get hurt just because they way he plays....don't like BYU but have mad respect for Taysom

 

[fishonjazz]

Well of course I'd take Sr Taysom over Fr Mangum as well but I think for the future it works out well for you guys...I watched the Nebraska game taysom was straight baling but the whole game I kept asking when is this gut gonna get hurt just because they way he plays....don't like BYU but have mad respect for Taysom

You might be right that it was better for the future of the team.

 

[green]

So utah in 2004 should have had no opportunity to be in the playoffs?
Amazing how you have turned into the type of fan you used to hate when utah was in the mcw.

P.S. I included toledo in my post of teams that were able to go undefeated despite injuries. You dont have to be p5 to win with injuries.
Hell even with byu being about the unluckiest injury situation possible they still beat a p5 team on the road and damn near beat the top pac12 team (at the time) on the road.

I have turned into that type of fan. It's easy to say that you are great when you play a good team then three weak teams then a good team again. The week in week out grind real.

Look at Utah and TCU. Two programs that were winning 10 games a year. First year in P5 conferences they have losing schedules. Once they had a chance to recruit depth, they are both back to where they were in the MWC.

Look at BYU. Beat Nebraska. Beat Boise. Beat UCLA for three quarters. Then their depth shows up. They get tired. They have a couple injuries. UCLA wins the fourth quarter and the game. Then Michigan rolls them.

Again, BYU is not unlucky. They won with two hail Mary's. That's the definition of luck. Their depth issues are their fault. If BYU never goes Independent, they've probably played in a couple BCS/NY Bowls and have too 25 recruiting classes every year. Their average recruiting class their last 4 years in the MWC was 33-35. Since Indy? 60-65.

They don't get to blame luck when they did that to themselves. You can't pull a loaded gun out, point it at your foot, pull the trigger then say you were unlucky.

BYU has been very lucky this year. If not for luck, they would have started 0-4. BYU was lucky that they didn't have to play Cincinnati's starting QB. Didn't Boise and ECU have QB injuries as well? BYU has been very lucky this year. If not for luck, there is a good chance BYU is 1-5 right now.

 

[green]

Again, the BYU thread is lacking posts. If you want to discuss BYU's lack of depth, let's go there and discuss it.