Official UofU homer thread

[fishonjazz]

I have turned into that type of fan. It's easy to say that you are great when you play a good team then three weak teams then a good team again. The week in week out grind real.

Look at Utah and TCU. Two programs that were winning 10 games a year. First year in P5 conferences they have losing schedules. Once they had a chance to recruit depth, they are both back to where they were in the MWC.

Look at BYU. Beat Nebraska. Beat Boise. Beat UCLA for three quarters. Then their depth shows up. They get tired. They have a couple injuries. UCLA wins the fourth quarter and the game. Then Michigan rolls them.

Again, BYU is not unlucky. They won with two hail Mary's. That's the definition of luck. Their depth issues are their fault. If BYU never goes Independent, they've probably played in a couple BCS/NY Bowls and have too 25 recruiting classes every year. Their average recruiting class their last 4 years in the MWC was 33-35. Since Indy? 60-65.

They don't get to blame luck when they did that to themselves. You can't pull a loaded gun out, point it at your foot, pull the trigger then say you were unlucky.

BYU has been very lucky this year. If not for luck, they would have started 0-4. BYU was lucky that they didn't have to play Cincinnati's starting QB. Didn't Boise and ECU have QB injuries as well? BYU has been very lucky this year. If not for luck, there is a good chance BYU is 1-5 right now.

I could just as easily say that byu would be undefeated if not for injuries.
Also, byu did play against Cincinnati's starter. They went with him because he had been so good while the other qb was out. Both qb's were healthy

 

[fishonjazz]

Again, the BYU thread is lacking posts. If you want to discuss BYU's lack of depth, let's go there and discuss it.

Fine. So answer the posts below.
I noticed how you have dodged them in order to discuss byu with me

My point was that the type of injuries, the timing of the injuries and the players who get injured make a difference.
Do you disagree with that?

What 9 starters were they and how much time did they miss and against what teams?

I have watched a decent amount of ute games this year and their most recognizable names to me are Wilson, booker, covey, scott, paul, and dimmick.
How many games have those guys missed? What teams did they miss the time against? These questions matter when you are discussing how bad the injury bug has hit a team.

 

[♪alt13]

Thank God Utah's coaching staff and players won't be as dismissive of USC as their fans are because if that were the case, they'd get their asses handed to them this Saturday.

Not dismissive of USC just very confident in Utah. I think we all recognize how much talent they have, most of us just don't think it will be enough to deal with Utah's discipline and experience.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also green, I would like to see the link where you predicted 11-1 season for the utes (I actually wouldn't surprised if it were true, this is green we are talking about after all, I just don't remember seeing it)


In the beginning of this thread before a game was played I predicted the utes would go 9-3 and challenge for the pac12 title. And that was when I thought Oregon and usc would be good. I also predicted before the season began that this was the utes best pac 12 team yet

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Depends on who gets injured and when and how bad the injuries are.

Let's say Wilson gets injured in game one and is out for the year. And booker missed the year for some mysterious reason that no one knows. Then bookers backup goes down. Then his backup goes down. Then the utes best defensive player on the team goes down for 4 games. And against Michigan in game one you have 3 starters suspended.

What do you think the utes record would be in that scenario? (That is what byu has dealt with btw)

Like bawse dog said. Every team has injuries.
Utes have been blessed with no major injuries to their indespensible players in big games.

I'm really bummed out that you came in here and tried your best to find a way to fit BYU into the conversation. C'mon man, you're better than that!

If you do want to use the BYU analogy, I could just as easily point out that defensively, Utah is pretty much 2 deep across the board in quality starters and in some cases, even 3 deep. That right there is why we're starting to see a bigger gap between the two programs. Yes, Utah is scary thin at QB after Travis. That is a problem that still needs to be solved, but Utah is finally past the point of a couple of key injuries derailing a season.

 

[fishonjazz]

Utah is finally past the point of a couple of key injuries derailing a season.

This is where I disagree.
I think if the utes had a season ending injury to Booker, Wilson, Scott or even the punter that they would have a couple of losses by now and probably end the year with about 3 losses.

Even p5 schools need their star players to have a chance at the playoffs.
How many of the undefeated teams have lost their starting qb for a bunch of games this year? I would guess the answer is zero.
I don't think that is a coincidence

 

[NAOS]

#wounded cougars lookin for excuses in UofU thread

 

[fishonjazz]

#wounded cougars lookin for excuses in UofU thread

Excuses for what?

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Utes have been lucky with injuries so far this year. To say otherwise is dumb.

 

[green]

Also green, I would like to see the link where you predicted 11-1 season for the utes (I actually wouldn't surprised if it were true, this is green we are talking about after all, I just don't remember seeing it)


In the beginning of this thread before a game was played I predicted the utes would go 9-3 and challenge for the pac12 title. And that was when I thought Oregon and usc would be good. I also predicted before the season began that this was the utes best pac 12 team yet

https://www.utefans.net/message.php?id=1750550

I'm Ute2004

 

[green]

Utes have been lucky with injuries so far this year. To say otherwise is dumb.

I'll say otherwise. Ahmad Christian, transfer from Southern Carolina hasn't gotten on the field. Dimick missed two games. Wilson has missed time. Our top WR hasn't played yet. Troy McCorimick was supposed to be our home run guy on offense. We just moved our third string QB to safety and he may start vs USC (Hope Hansen can get back to QB). Our starting TE is done for the year. Domo missed two games due to racism.

We've had 4 starters out for the season so far. We haven't lost Booker yet, but we did lose Wilson for a stretch. Booker is incredible, but RB is like DE for Utah. Anderson, Anderson, Fuamatu-Ma'afala, Hunter, Johnson, Ganther, Asiata, Mack, Wide, White, Booker.

RB at Utah is one JC 1,000 yard back after another. Williams isn't getting a lot of time, but he has looked good. He will fill in the roll next year and you'll be here next year saying how lucky we are he hasn't gotten hurt yet.

Would losing Booker be devastating? Probably.

But I think we are at worst, 5-1 right now without Booker.

Wilson was the key to Michigan. USU and FSU are wins with or without Booker. We beat Oregon without Booker. We completely dominated ASU with Booker not doing much.

The only loss might be Cal up to this point. And I'm not sure we lose that game without Booker.

The fact is our defense is nasty. Wilson is one of the most efficient QB's in the country. Losing Booker would hurt, but we'd still win 9-10 games without him.

This is a special team and we have depth everywhere.

Like I've been saying since December, enjoy this season. This may be a once in a lifetime season.

 

[fishonjazz]

Utes have been lucky with injuries so far this year. To say otherwise is dumb.

This. And that was my only point. It's not taking away from what they have done. It's not an insult or a putdown.

Utes are an amazing team with a shot at a national championship.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'll say otherwise. Ahmad Christian, transfer from Southern Carolina hasn't gotten on the field. Dimick missed two games. Wilson has missed time. Our top WR hasn't played yet. Troy McCorimick was supposed to be our home run guy on offense. We just moved our third string QB to safety and he may start vs USC (Hope Hansen can get back to QB). Our starting TE is done for the year. Domo missed two games due to racism.

We've had 4 starters out for the season so far. We haven't lost Booker yet, but we did lose Wilson for a stretch. Booker is incredible, but RB is like DE for Utah. Anderson, Anderson, Fuamatu-Ma'afala, Hunter, Johnson, Ganther, Asiata, Mack, Wide, White, Booker.

RB at Utah is one JC 1,000 yard back after another. Williams isn't getting a lot of time, but he has looked good. He will fill in the roll next year and you'll be here next year saying how lucky we are he hasn't gotten hurt yet.

Would losing Booker be devastating? Probably.

But I think we are at worst, 5-1 right now without Booker.

Wilson was the key to Michigan. USU and FSU are wins with or without Booker. We beat Oregon without Booker. We completely dominated ASU with Booker not doing much.

The only loss might be Cal up to this point. And I'm not sure we lose that game without Booker.

The fact is our defense is nasty. Wilson is one of the most efficient QB's in the country. Losing Booker would hurt, but we'd still win 9-10 games without him.

This is a special team and we have depth everywhere.

Like I've been saying since December, enjoy this season. This may be a once in a lifetime season.

This is every team in the country though.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

BTW Green, I have never seen such a homeristic prediction be so spot on (so far). So congrats on that. And hopefully you overestimated USC

You even got the Stanford thing right. I'm legit impressed.

 

[Gameface]

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I'm Ute2004

Man, you really get specific with your predictions.

 

[green]

BTW Green, I have never seen such a homeristic prediction be so spot on (so far). So congrats on that. And hopefully you overestimated USC

You even got the Stanford thing right. I'm legit impressed.

I'll try to find last year's predictions. I was pretty spot on then too.

The team I can't read is Washington. I had them winning 9 last year and 2 this year. I think my Petersen/Boise hate blinds me. Lol.

 

[green]

This is EVERY team in the country though.

That's my point. Every team goes through injuries. The good teams win. The good teams have depth. The bad teams don't. But, even then, sometimes a poor team with poor depth gets lucky. Sometimes they even get a Hail Mary or two.

 

[green]

BTW Green, I have never seen such a homeristic prediction be so spot on (so far). So congrats on that. And hopefully you overestimated USC

You even got the Stanford thing right. I'm legit impressed.

Remember the Booker pass in the Oregon game? I even had that, but in a different game (Colorado).

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

That's my point. Every team goes through injuries. The good teams win. The good teams have depth. The bad teams don't. But, even then, sometimes a poor team with poor depth gets lucky. Sometimes they even get a Hail Mary or two.

My point is that the utes have not have long lasting injuries to their most important players at the most important part of their season. And that has played a part in their undefeated season.

Pretty much every championship team gets allot of luck along the way. So far the utes have been fortunate to not lose their most important players for lots of games against the toughest part of their schedule.

Same goes for the other undefeated teams.
Season ending injuries to star players (especially qb's) hurt every team no matter how much depth a team has.

It's not enough for you that the utes are undefeated and ranked so high and have a shot at a championship.
You want everyone to believe that they also have endured horrible injuries, played toughest schedule, had to get to the games on foot in the snow uphill the whole way and just fought through so much adversity that it's amazing they are still alive.

 

[NAOS]

My point is that the utes have not have long lasting injuries to their most important players at the most important part of their season. And that has played a part in their undefeated season.

Pretty much every championship team gets allot of luck along the way. So far the utes have been fortunate to not lose their most important players for lots of games against the toughest part of their schedule.

Same goes for the other undefeated teams.
Season ending injuries to star players (especially qb's) hurt every team no matter how much depth a team has.

It's not enough for you that the utes are undefeated and ranked so high and have a shot at a championship.
You want everyone to believe that they also have endured horrible injuries, played toughest schedule, had to get to the games on foot in the snow uphill the whole way and just fought through so much adversity that it's amazing they are still alive.

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