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Saint Cy of JFC

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This shot is anywhere from 20 to 25 feet away from the rim on a basketball court and is worth 3 points.

"What is a 3 pointer and why the **** don't you take any Alec?"

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Seriously though. It's been 6 preseason games and Burks has taken a grand total of four 3 point shots.
 
It's just not who he is. He doesn't feel comfortable shooting them unless wide open. He's got a new shoulder and wants to attack.
 
Why don't you ask him? He'd probably be the first to tell you. And maybe there isn't a reason, maybe it's just his instinctual, deeply-engrained response to catching the ball: drive in some off-kilter manner towards the hoop to either pass or shoot. Is that so wrong?

- Craig
 
Jazz4ever said:
It's just not who he is. He doesn't feel comfortable shooting them unless wide open. He's got a new shoulder and wants to attack.
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Cool, he needs to take more 3 point shots. Our starting lineup can't have 1 good 3pt shooter, 1 inconsistent 3pt shooter, and 3 guys who dont shoot 3 pointers.
 
Also, I get the new shoulder and his shot probably not being great right now, which explains his reluctance to shoot. It's ****ing preseason though. Just take some shots so you can get a feel for shooting jumpers in game.

Mike Dantoni's nightmares probably consist of images of our offensive spacing.
 
My2Cents said:
He made 3 shots and scored 14 pts.
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Yeah, he is a great talent. You are ignoring the point though. You can't succeed as a team in this age of the NBA with a SG who won't take open 3 pointers, especially when you have two bigs who provide next to no floor spacing.
 
Jazz4ever said:
It's just not who he is. He doesn't feel comfortable shooting them unless wide open. He's got a new shoulder and wants to attack.
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I agree with this. I don't think Burks is confident he will make them.

Also, burks has been very good this pre season..... Maybe our best player (not saying much though)
 
King Cy said:
Cool, he needs to take more 3 point shots. Our starting lineup can't have 1 good 3pt shooter, 1 inconsistent 3pt shooter, and 3 guys who dont shoot 3 pointers.
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Who is the good three point shooter and what is his percentage so far this season?
 
King Cy said:
Yeah, he is a great talent. You are ignoring the point though. You can't succeed as a team in this age of the NBA with a SG who won't take open 3 pointers, especially when you have two bigs who provide next to no floor spacing.
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The correct solution is likely not as simple as Alec shooting more semi contested 3s. It might mean making him the primary offensive role like Hayward had last season, putting him in the 2nd unit, or exploring trades.
 
Would it be good for him to go 1-3 from three each game and not get to the line or the rim very much?

He is not getting very many shots per game (less than hayward, favors, burke, and hood) so if he starts taking more threes then that means he takes less shots at the rim and less free throw attempts. Is that a good thing? (I honestly don't know)
 
It's pretty sad when a career 36% 3pt shooter is scared to take 3's when his coach has been publicly wishing for him to take more 3's.

Again, can we please stop with the whole "well Burks has been playing good". That isn't the topic at hand. The topic is our floor spacing is **** and we have a guard who won't take 3 pointers. Those two things are kind of big deals and Alec taking some 3's would help out. It's not like the dude is ****ing Rajon Rondo.
 
Not ignoring your point, just saying there is value in what he does. He shot .38 from 3 last year. I'm pretty sure he'll take his share.
 
fishonjazz said:
Would it be good for him to go 1-3 from three each game and not get to the line or the rim very much?

He is not getting very many shots per game (less than hayward, favors, burke, and hood) so if he starts taking more threes then that means he takes less shots at the rim and less free throw attempts. Is that a good thing? (I honestly don't know)
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Why should we expect a career 36% shooter who has improved his shooting nearly every year to only go 1/3 every game? It's not an insane thing to ask someone to increase their volume for the good of the team. The point is if he takes them teams have to guard him. He isn't going to be bricking in the low 30's if his career plays out like it has been.

If Burks can't take at least two 3 pointers a game, he has no business playing alongside Favors/Gobert in the starting lineup. Those are just plain facts and I fear we may go on an early slide if we continue with the formula of starting two non-spacing bigs and a 2-guard who won't take a 3 point shot.
 
My2Cents said:
Not ignoring your point, just saying there is value in what he does. He shot .38 from 3 last year. I'm pretty sure he'll take his share.
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Then explain to me why he refuses to take his open 3's so far while his coach urges him to take more?
 
King Cy said:
Why should we expect a career 36% shooter who has improved his shooting nearly every year to only go 1/3 every game? It's not an insane thing to ask someone to increase their volume for the good of the team. The point is if he takes them teams have to guard him. He isn't going to be bricking in the low 30's if his career plays out like it has been.

If Burks can't take at least two 3 pointers a game, he has no business playing alongside Favors/Gobert in the starting lineup. Those are just plain facts and I fear we may go on an early slide if we continue with the formula of starting two non-spacing bigs and a 2-guard who won't take a 3 point shot.
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I agree he has to shoot the rock. It's bad enough we have 2 pg's that can't shoot if they wanted to. He really can't pass up the 3.
 
Let's use tonight as an example.
Burks took 7 shots and made three. Burks scored 14 points on those 7 shots. On one of his misses rudy got an easy put back dunk (2 points). On another miss favors got the rebound and scored and got fouled (3 points). Both of the buckets were caused by Burks attacking the rim.

So on 7 shots there were 19 points created.

Let's say he takes 3 three point shots tonight and makes one. And take away three of his drives (there are only a certain amount of shots/possesions to go around after all)

Does that help the team win? Maybe. Do the opponents fear his three point shot if he takes more of them? I'm not sure anyone is afraid of Burks if he takes more threes..... Not sure it would even help spacing anyway. Burks is no bradley beal, klay, rodney or even Gordon.
Teams might still clog the paint against the jazz if Burks shoots more threes except now we would also be letting them off the hook from having to defend what he is truly good at.
 
King Cy said:
Then explain to me why he refuses to take his open 3's so far while his coach urges him to take more?
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Link to coach urging him.

Burks has always seemed very coachable to me. Maybe quin has been happy with Burks play so far this year
 
I had this lengthy argument with someone, I think it might actually have been fishionjazz, last offseason. Burks has to take 3s, he isn't Dwayne Wade. It will open up his game, open up the offense, and ironically put more pressure on the defense.

Obviously it wouldn't make sense to force 3s for the sake of taking 3s, but if you have been watching this season you can see the open looks he passes up.
 
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