Wilson Chandler?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sure, Lyles could be good. I just don't know if it's wise for the Jazz just to sit around hope all their young guys maximize themselves rather than going out and getting a player that is already maximized and can help the team reach their potential.

When we drafted Kanter a lot of people thought he would turn into this big with great range that would spread the floor and such, but it never materialized. Waiting on people to become shooters is risky.

Just as risky as giving up on guys too soon. Not saying he's off the table, but I'd rather give a 2016 pick and the OKC pick for him and leave Lyles out of it. Just feels too high.

I think we do almost need to trade our 2016 1st rounder. We have good young players and good prospects at every position. At some point we run out of development time and effort. Unless there is a good Euro to draft and stash.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dude, I'm all for getting Chandler. I just don't think that sending them Lyles (a pick from the most recent lottery) and a future first-round pick constitutes "coming down" from Denver's initial demands. I also don't want to get rid of Lyles for a player with Chandler's history.

If Denver is offloading him, it's for future considerations. Give them those. Develop Lyles.

I think Denver's initial demands would be more like Hood + Pick for Chandler. I think they would "come down" to Lyles. He is a lottery pick, but would he have been picked in the lottery if it wasn't for the Jazz? He could have easily slid to the later teens. He wasn't an unanimous lottery selection by any means.

 

[NAOS]

I think Denver's initial demands would be more like Hood + Pick for Chandler. I think they would "come down" to Lyles. He is a lottery pick, but would he have been picked in the lottery if it wasn't for the Jazz? He could have easily slid to the later teens. He wasn't an unanimous lottery selection by any means.

wow... have any more wild speculation for me? You seem bored as **** today.

How about that baby tattooed on Chandler's throat. Does that signal that he's a family man and will force his way to Utah? Maybe we could just give one pick?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He plays for the Sixers, I'm not going to giv much credence to anything they do with their wacky system where they jack up shots and push a ridiculous pace that results in a lot of stats for Covington since he is their only capable wing.

1 year of shooting doesnt trump the solid years of shooting Chandler has put up. One year he shot 41% from deep. Clearly that's an outlier, but we have no idea to know if Covington's year will also be an outlier. We are talking about a guy who plays in a lot of blowouts for the Sixers man.

I don't hate him and I would take him if we could get him, but I'd rather have the more battle proven Chandler.

I hear you. He isn't that unproven though. 24 and he's been a good shooter in college, d league, and last year. Good free throw shooter which is viewed as a good indicator. I view his experience with Philly as a reason he's undervalued. He shoots a lot of contested threes which he makes. No one creates for him. I think his percentages move up with a team that can help him and I am a pretty big believer in RPM which can occasionally be flukey, but he ticks that box too.

I'd take either for the right price just see Covington as higher upside. Not sure he has a lower floor though. Both are good options.

Side note... I haven't seen you crowing Bobby Portis/ Otto Porter... they look great right now (not sarcastic at all... I have watched and love what I see).

 

[Jamezz]

You wouldn't give up Lyles?

For context, Chandler just signed a 4 year extension worth a little over 10 million a year (he cant even be traded until January), which is going to be gold in the next CBA (IMO). So if we traded for Chandler with the idea of him being our back-up PF/SF, there really wouldn't be any significant developmental minutes for Lyles during his rookie contract.

Why should we give up on Lyles so soon? We haven't seen enough of him to make this judgement.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Denver's initial demands would be more like Hood + Pick for Chandler. I think they would "come down" to Lyles. He is a lottery pick, but would he have been picked in the lottery if it wasn't for the Jazz? He could have easily slid to the later teens. He wasn't an unanimous lottery selection by any means.

That's just too much. I would give a 2016 first rounder with very few protections. They can have the OKC pick, but that's where I stop. Chandler hasn't played for a lot of winners either... I don't see anyone outbidding us.

I'd almost rather go and see if Tucker is available in Phx if that is the price. He'd be available for much less and I'm not sure there is that big of a difference between them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I hear you. He isn't that unproven though. 24 and he's been a good shooter in college, d league, and last year. Good free throw shooter which is viewed as a good indicator. I view his experience with Philly as a reason he's undervalued. He shoots a lot of contested threes which he makes. No one creates for him. I think his percentages move up with a team that can help him and I am a pretty big believer in RPM which can occasionally be flukey, but he ticks that box too.

I'd take either for the right price just see Covington as higher upside. Not sure he has a lower floor though. Both are good options.

Side note... I haven't seen you crowing Bobby Portis/ Otto Porter... they look great right now (not sarcastic at all... I have watched and love what I see).

I think I bumped the Otto Porter thread in General Sports.

As far as Portis goes, yeah he had a great pre-season like I knew he would. He is going to have a great career, I just dont like to bring it up because it's not a positive thing to bring up. Also, he probably won't play much in the regular season because of the crowded front-court. I like Lyles, but he doesnt have Portis' intensity (how many times has Lyles gotten killed on the boards?) and now that Portis has shown he can hit the NBA 3, it's even more of a blow to what could have been.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why should we give up on Lyles so soon? We haven't seen enough of him to make this judgement.

Well CHandler cant be traded till January 2nd, so that's nearly half the season to look at Lyles.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think I bumped the Otto Porter thread in General Sports.

As far as Portis goes, yeah he had a great pre-season like I knew he would. He is going to have a great career, I just dont like to bring it up because it's not a positive thing to bring up. Also, he probably won't play much in the regular season because of the crowded front-court. I like Lyles, but he doesnt have Portis' intensity (how many times has Lyles gotten killed on the boards?) and now that Portis has shown he can hit the NBA 3, it's even more of a blow to what could have been.

Was shocked he lasted that long. Worst case he's Brandon Bass who has been a great third big. I was a fan if we moved down just because he was projected a bit lower.

I like the idea of Lyles and see it more now. Was not a big fan, but we've cast our vote and I trust those that did.

Porter looks like a different player.

 

[franklin]

The lockout destroyed Chandler's trajectory. He was on a pretty good path before then. Now he's a better paid Trevor Booker.

 

[framer]

I'd almost guarantee that Denver has no interest in Lyles. They would want draft picks. However, this trade would probably necessitate the departure of Lyles, likely in a different deal.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd almost guarantee that Denver has no interest in Lyles. They would want draft picks. However, this trade would probably necessitate the departure of Lyles, likely in a different deal.

Why? It's rumored they want to trade Fahried in favor of a more skill oriented big (Fahried has basically been the same player since his rookie year).

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Assuming Nuggets do this trade and figure out a trade for Fahried (I think it would be wise, the guy isnt a good fit next to Nurkic and he looks like he has more upside than Fahried), their starting lineup next year would look like this:

Mudiay
Potentially a high draft pick from 2016
Gallinari
Lyles
Nurkic

I mean, I would be pretty excited about that lineup if I'm a Nuggets fan. Maybe they draft a guy like Ingram/Murray/Brown/Newman on the wing (or combo guard) and you are looking a team that has 4 really versatile players and a big center. Then use the later draft picks to fill out the bench, maybe sign a free agent in the off-season with cap-space instead of starting Lyles or a rookie, you could have a good team pretty quick with only a 1 year tank.

Gallinari is the one that is going be traded out of the nuggets They also have a nice young back court with Gary Harris who showed some flashes at times last year. Lyles is meh. Kind of a tweener in the pros. Not strong enough at the 4 and not quick enough at the 3. I see him as a career backup at best

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Lyles is not very good, ThAT IS WHY.

 

[theMTN]

Chandler is a career 33.9% 3pt shooter. Would that be enough of an upgrade to give up a potential 1st round pick + our most recent lottery selection?

Ingles and Chandler are basically identical in terms of height and weight. I think Ingles will play some minutes at backup (small ball) 4 for us this year. Obviously all around Ingles isn't the same player as Chandler, but I feel like they would fill similar roles for our team (backup 3 and 4). Plus Ingles shoots a better clip from 3 (35.6% after starting the season terribly), and he has already developed chemistry with the team.

Again, I'm not saying Ingles is as talented or valuable as Chandler, but considering they'd play similar roles for us, I don't know if giving up that much for Chandler would be worth it in the end.

 

[NAOS]

However, this trade would probably necessitate the departure of Lyles, likely in a different deal.

Why Lyles instead of Booker?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gallinari is the one that is going be traded out of the nuggets They also have a nice young back court with Gary Harris who showed some flashes at times last year. Lyles is meh. Kind of a tweener in the pros. Not strong enough at the 4 and not quick enough at the 3. I see him as a career backup at best

Flashes? That is kind. He shot 30$ from the field and 20% from deep. The dude was hot trash.

 

[NAOS]

... you know it's bad when you engage ncolorado.... get well soon, Cy

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Chandler is a career 33.9% 3pt shooter. Would that be enough of an upgrade to give up a potential 1st round pick + our most recent lottery selection?

Ingles and Chandler are basically identical in terms of height and weight. I think Ingles will play some minutes at backup (small ball) 4 for us this year. Obviously all around Ingles isn't the same player as Chandler, but I feel like they would fill similar roles for our team (backup 3 and 4). Plus Ingles shoots a better clip from 3 (35.6% after starting the season terribly), and he has already developed chemistry with the team.

Again, I'm not saying Ingles is as talented or valuable as Chandler, but considering they'd play similar roles for us, I don't know if giving up that much for Chandler would be worth it in the end.

He has shot above his career average for the past 3 years, so it's safe to say he has become a better shooter as he has gotten older.

He has a much quicker release than Ingles and he has the athletic ability to give us an edge as a small ball 4. Ingles playing the 4 is alright, but the advantage he gives us is kind of negated by the fact he shoots it slowly (though it has seemed quicker in preseason) and is slow.

I dont know enough to say for certain, but I assume he is a much better defender than Ingles too. *If he was a good defender this would make me even more excited*

Overall I just feel like its a trade that would help take us to the next level. Lyles is cool, but his upside is the backup to Favors who can space the floor a bit (which is a work in progress on being able to shoot).

 

[My2Cents]

I see him as a career backup at best

This is a huge endorsement for Lyles. (See Gordon Hayward thread.}