Freedom is not the problem. It's the solution.
the situation in Egypt
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Freedom is not the problem. It's the solution.
It's not what they "deserve," it's what they want. If it's a step in the direction of more freedom and a more egalitarian society, why fight it?
Furthermore, I wonder where you get your views on Muslims? Have you ever any? I know 4, personally. 2 are a couple and the other 2 are males. The couple is just like every other couple...believe me...we've had our discussions.
PearlWatson
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Fight it? I just have impotent disgust for it. A step in the right direction? The government they are rioting against outlawed the practice.
I'm not really interested in the Muslim aspect of this unless you believe they are to blame for the practice? Do you?
Is that Muslim chick still in possession of her ****? Does she wear a burka?
PearlWatson
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Freedom from/to do what?
I think this statement alone says everything about your knowledge on the Muslim faith.
The root meaning of freedom relates to both a collective/societal right as well as in post-American Revolution times, for a few years anyway, a number of individual inate/God-given/natural rights. A Christian nation overcome by a Muslim jihad will result in a sense of loss of freedom to those who still feel fondly for religious freedom or for their former society. You are right that a lot of our treasured individual rights would be gone as well. The American doctrine of personal rights/liberties would support the right of an individual woman or her parents to refuse some mutilation type practices. That these mutilations are done to children who have no say in it is an incredible offense to all concepts of individual rights, and there should be no "favorable press" supporting or even ignoring it, regardless of any religious basis. I think it applies to Jews as well in regard to males.
A lot of Christians don't really get it, but the American Revolution was a radical departure from the ideas of post-Constantine Christianity. I think a step in the right direction.
PearlWatson
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Why? I asked you a question about the particular Muslim you know. You act like the 4 Muslims you know represent all Muslims. Are Muslims all alike or are they diverse in their practice? You can't have it both ways.
~swing and a miss~
PearlWatson
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Freedom from/to do what?
PearlWatson
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I can't say I'm surprised at your cut and run, just disappointed.
candrew
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Absolutely. If you applaud a grass-roots revolution by a populace that resulted in a (for the most part) non-violent overthrow of a repressive regime via protest you should also support the invasion of a country based on faulty intelligence which cost about a trillion dollars, resulted in the death or maiming of tens of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens.
Clearly one in the same.
PearlWatson
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Oh I see. Dictators are only bad if all you have to do is "applaud" from the sidelines.
GVC
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Did you even read what he wrote?
Coloradojazzfan
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What are Jersey Shore cast members doing in Egypt?
Stickler
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Would you care to explain what I'm meant to understand by watching that video? I see him standing there with an American flag jacket, obviously not trying to hide his identity. If the translation is accurate (I don't speak Mandarin) the guy with the camera starts trying to provoke him and telling the crowd that he's the U.S. Ambassador, and Huntsman walks away. I haven't read up on this, so I'm not sure what the controversy is. What did he do wrong?
Funny how the press doesn't say much about the new oil developments in Nebraska, SD,ND, and Montana. And how we don't hear about the super fields in the Gulf until a drilling operation is just horribly messed up.
I knew someone in the oil business in Utah and visited his little war room. He had a huge map all across his two walls showing eastern Utah developments, and told me there was even more in New Mexico. Given to understatements of his case, I took it as something equal to Texas.
That was back when the Escalante Staircase National Monument was fresh news. I had known something about the coal on Kaiparowits, and I had heard how Bill Clinton spent two weeks on the Rockefeller property in Jackson Hole, then flew down to the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, had some old forest trees knocked down and dragged outta the view so he could have a photo op waving his arm out over the Grand Canyon declaring a "National Monument" the bigger than Hawaii, Connecticut and New Jersey, and shutting down a multi-billion dollar development owned by the Dutch.
My acquaintance, who was in a position to know, told me the reason: "We can't let them (the Dutch) have that coal."
When the right time comes, and the right people own the resource, the National Monument rules will be changed to allow development.
Same thing with oil shale.
PearlWatson
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Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. ~ Franklin
Did someone knock? Oh Vinyl. And I thought we'd put this one to bed.
Kinda interesting to see the whole different attitude about Libyans wanting freedom, too. We had the American-built Egyptian army in place to take control in Egypt, and Mubarak didn't even call out the troops. But in Libya we lack the hard "intelligence" to know it's really "safe" to support an unknown rebel movement.