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DutchJazzer
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YES I KNOW because guess what bernie saunders is not president
but he wants to change it to socialism, right? and THAT is what will happen. talking about socialism being like rape!
not americas CURRENT system. because america is not yet socialist, they are moving towards it with obama and will even further with BERNIE!
edit: free college! where does the money come from? YOUR TAX DOLLARS!
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Dutch, in addition to doubling down on claiming that he's been "raped" by taxes, appears to have a serious misunderstanding about the difference between marginal and effective tax rates.
DutchJazzer
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tax is tax at the end of the day the government gets your money one way or the other!
The intelligence went back and forth on this. Currently, it seems it was a planned attack motivated in part by the video.
Please provide evidence that Clinton was using this server as a deliberate attempt to circumvent government oversight requirements.
Please provide evidence that Clinton attempted to delete non-personal emails.
Great. Name one email that fits this profile.
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We just wrapped up 9 years of conservative rule. Let's hope Trudeau's liberals are more eco-conscious
I was going to make a similar comment. Dutch, I'm pretty sure all the rates you are quoting are the MARGINAL rates. The actual tax rates will be less than that. If you are unfamiliar with the term marginal tax rate, please take a couple of minutes to read about it.
DutchJazzer
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
DutchJazzer
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wetehr it is 50% or 60% my point still stands!
when bernie becomes president he will give away free stuff and the money has to come from somewhere
DutchJazzer
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after they failed to take carson down.
tyr try try again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3_T6JNZs0
wtf is up with mainstream media.
tyr try try again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3_T6JNZs0
wtf is up with mainstream media.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Whether or not the attack was motivated by the video is irrelevant. The important part of the difference between the story that Clinton told the victim's families and the American public was whether or not it was a planned attack. The facts are that we know without question that it was planned. We also know that the ambassador requested military support and that aircraft were initially deployed but then told to stand down by the Hillary led State Department. Consequently our ambassador and his people were left to fend for themselves and eventually die at the hands of what clearly was not a spontaneous attack that we could do nothing about.
There are plenty of articles available about all the aspects of this debacle if you want to learn. Here are some examples from mainstream sources:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/politics/hillary-clinton-personal-email-server/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-fbi-pulls-deleted-emails-from-hillary-clintons-server/
https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015...s-email-to-chelsea-stars-in-benghazi-hearing/
There is even more damning information from right wing sources which I will not bother showing you because I know you would discount them. If, like the majority of liberals, you believe that the mainstream media is centrist, I assume you will accept what the articles I've provided say. I believe the mainstream media has a horse in this race, and that is that they want to protect Hillary, so in my view it is quite remarkable that they are gradually being forced to corroborate the story that the right wing sources have documented for quite some time now.
BTW, I'm sure that if a conservative politician was ordered to turn over documents but responded by instead deleting them, asserting that they had the right to determine what was personal and what was not, you would be perfectly fine with that, right? The bottom line is that you are attempting to take a stance that many people already believe is impossible to support, and which I believe that you (if you have a shred of intellectual honesty) will soon have to abandon as well.
Joe Bagadonuts
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If conservative candidates had refused to answer this question can you imagine the left wing firestorm that would have ensued. So they answer it and what happens, the left wingers go nuts saying that it was completely irresponsible of these candidates to answer this question. Their agenda is so transparent. The only way anybody can believe these people are unbiased commentators is to completely ignore what's going on.
b_line
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The assertion that the world has it out for right wing conservatives is getting extremely tiring. Either get some new material or talk about something else.
Let me ask you this question: has a right wing candidate ever been asked to show their birth certificate for like 7 years even though they had sufficiently proved that they were american? For every perceived slight there are plenty to match the other side as well.
Joe Bagadonuts
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The only reason you have no problem with a liberal media bias and that you are sick of the issue is that you are liberal. If the media was dominated by conservative voices I am certain you would see it as a problem.
There is a very valid reason why no conservative candidate has been asked for their birth certificate. There has never been a candidate where asking this question would make any sense. If one arises I guarantee you the question will be asked by the left, and if that candidate refuses to provide an answer I guarantee you that the question will be asked again and again. Politically it must have been worth more to Obama to leave this question unanswered because that's what he chose to do when he could have simply put it to rest on day one. Has a political candidate on the left ever been widely lampooned for claiming he/she could see Russia from their house (despite the fact that the quote was made by a satirist and never by the candidate)? No. Politicians and partisans from both sides are going to attack the opposition with anything available to them. That's the way our political system works.
The media is biased. Incredibly so. But lucky for us there are plenty of media outlets on either side. The right dominates the radio waves, fox news and plenty of newspapers/websites like the Washington post, redstate, brietbart, ...
On the left you have MSNBC, Huff, New York Post, media matters, Politico...
Like b_line said. It goes both ways.
On the left you have MSNBC, Huff, New York Post, media matters, Politico...
Like b_line said. It goes both ways.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Conservatives now have places to go if they want to hear that side of the coin, but the majority of people simply consume the news that is put in front of them. CBS, NBC and ABC are all liberal. So are most of the newspapers in America. That's why this issue matters to conservatives. The recent Benghazi hearings are a perfect example. From a conservative standpoint Hillary was proven a liar in those hearings. They were an incredibly damaging event. Yet the media reported it as Hillary's finest hour and gushed over how presidential she appeared. They literally ignored what actually happened in order to tell the story they wanted to tell.
it matters to the left as well.
The difference is that repubs like to cry and moan about it. Candidates use it to garner popular support in the primaries.
The dems handle it by trying to pass legislation to take control of the airwaves. They have tried how many times to take down Beck, Rush, Savage, Levin, Hannity...?
I think claiming that the media is "dominated" by liberal voices is a stretch. Keep in mind that I'm in my mid-30s and Fox News has been the #1 rated cable news source for my entire adult lifetime. The most influential truly liberal voice we've had was probably John Stewart/Stephen Colbert and that was on a comedy network for one hour a night four nights a week. Colbert didn't even make sense without knowledge of Bill O'Reilly and Hannity.
If you defined everything to the left of Fox as "liberal" then the volume of stories are definitely "left of fox," but to be honest that just isn't the way the world works. Most newspapers try very very hard to have balance and say that both sides have valid points. This, paradoxically, has the effect of creating a right-ward slant because if you have to pretend that one side is making points that are just as valid as the other, even when they are not, it gives legitimacy and a greater voice to the weaker side. John Oliver did an excellent job demonstrating this effect as it pertains to Global Warming debates on television about a year ago and the Obama administration has had a nearly decade long problem with respect to the effect of long-term debt accumulation on this issue. Newspapers have been giving equal time to people predicting runaway inflation that has never materialized and we all pretend Paul Ryan is some kind of conservative budget genius because we need to create the illusion of balance. That illusion, created by pressure from people who constantly cry "liberal bias" actually creates a slightly rightward tilt.
This assumes it made sense to ask for "long form" birth certificates in the first place (I don't have one for me and can't get one).
That said, Ted Cruz this year has a shockingly similar birth story to Obama even if Obama had been born in Kenya (to be clear, all the evidence said he was born in Hawaii). Cruz was born in Canada to an American woman and a Cuban man. He was born with Canadian citizenship. That makes him a likely natural born citizen as a child of American born overseas. After all, he never had to go through a naturalization process. There is virtually no rumbling asking about Cruz, under shockingly similar circumstances, because no one on the left really cares outside of being sort of amused about the whole thing.
Hawaii eventually had to go through a very special process to produce the full long-form birth certificate. Unless you allege a conspiracy to put up red tape, there's no evidence that Obama had special powers to compel Hawaii to produce a different birth certificate than the one he could obtain through public means. In essence, Hawaii coughed up the long form only because everyone asked for it so many damn times. Good luck getting another Hawaiian long form certificate for any other citizen.
Left political candidates are regularly lampooned, although frequently for being weak, philandering, or being silly rather than for being stupid (comedians go where the joke is easiest). Bill Clinton was the topic of jokes (and still is) about his weight and his taste in women for decades. George McGovern in the tank jokes were staples of the late 1980s. Hillary might be the most viciously mocked candidate of them all. Probably the best-known political satire the last five years has been Obama's anger translator Luther. Claiming that SNL or other outlets only make fun of conservatives is a non-starter. It's not really the liberals fault that you've never had your own Colbert.
b_line
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Ted mother ******* Cruz says hi.
b_line
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Great post. But obviously biased. Because how can it not be, it doesn't fit in a bag of donuts.