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I know there are a lot of LDS people here

Here is my take on the book of Mormon and bible:

They are not historical documents, and probably were not meant to be. The Bible is somewhat more historically correct and less fictional in nature, but is still meant to be a spiritual document rather than a history book.

That said, I don't think it should matter at all. If Joseph Smith or some other person made up a story, it's no different to me than the stories that Jesus made up and people called parables.

The point to me is do the books inspire good things? Most of the time they do. Sometimes they miss the mark. But overall, Christians, Jews, muslims, we are for the most part doing good things and progressing towards being better people.
This response makes so much sense if you simply ignore all the bad stuff that has been done in the name of those religions.
 
This response makes so much sense if you simply ignore all the bad stuff that has been done in the name of those religions.
And the bad stuff people do not in the name of religion? People do bad stuff whether religious or not, and the definition of "bad stuff" has as many different meanings as there are people. If a religion encourages and teaches people to do and be "good", it does not mean the religion is bad if people who profess that religion don't always follow those teachings. People are people and will do what they want for a myriad of reasons with religion only playing a part in those decisions. Sometimes a small part, sometimes a large part.

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And the bad stuff people do not in the name of religion? People do bad stuff whether religious or not, and the definition of "bad stuff" has as many different meanings as there are people. If a religion encourages and teaches people to do and be "good", it does not mean the religion is bad if people who profess that religion don't always follow those teachings. People are people and will do what they want for a myriad of reasons with religion only playing a part in those decisions. Sometimes a small part, sometimes a large part.

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People doing good things is good. People doing bad things is bad. I'm pretty sure we can agree on that.

This thread is about a religion which has determined, through divine inspiration or otherwise, that children should be treated differently depending upon the lifestyle of their parents. If you are okay with that then carry on.
 
People doing good things is good. People doing bad things is bad. I'm pretty sure we can agree on that.

This thread is about a religion which has determined, through divine inspiration or otherwise, that children should be treated differently depending upon the lifestyle of their parents. If you are okay with that then carry on.

I think you and Moe both have points about the good and bad. Bad stuff happens. Trying to espouse good qualities is a good thing. Telling people they are bad for being gay is probably not a good thing.

In the end, to me, it's like this: There are so many great things that the church does, and a few potentially bad things here and there. Are we going to ignore the good done by so many, and the help that so many get, just because a couple of bad things happen? I don't think that's right.


The bad things need to be addressed, for sure. But keep the good and add to it.
 
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