White Student Union

[Gameface]

I'm very proud of western civilization. I think humanity can celebrate our achievements. And I certainly don't advocate for racial shame. I think having a white student union is done intentionally to poke minorities with a stick, say "neener-neener" and puff up our chests. You want to act all smug, JAZZGASM, and insist that it's our right to act like buffoons, you won't get an argument from me, and you won't get me joining in, either.

 

[gandalfe]

To play the devil's advocate, how about other racial pride organizations? Every single ethnicity has its own history of atrocities. And I don't mean a little. Look at the history of the Aztecs or Maya. Or the role that African slavers played in slavery. Why can't Europeans be proud of their positive achievements if others can?

The problem is that pretty much all of our society is geared towards celebrating the accomplishments of white people. White men, in particular. And that may be less true than it used to be, but it's still true.

 

[One Brow]

OK, how about a group that only promotes poor disadvantaged white people?

If you focus on helping the poor, or the disabled, or women, or any other disadvantaged group to which some white people belong, what would be the reason to focus only on the white members of that group?

 

[One Brow]

An interesting tidbit, in this country, essentially until the Civil Rights Act in 1964, the definition of White or Caucasian in this country was any race that is not black.

Whose definition?

I think a group that supports the good things of a races heritage is not hammering people down.

White people already have the many good things white people have done celebrated, as a regular part of societal activities. White authors are the major subject of study in university literature departments. White leaders are the primary subject of study in history departments. I could continue this for a long time. What part of this heritage is in danger of disappearing?

 

[Nate505]

Now I'm fairly liberal in most views, but what's going on in colleges right now is disgusting. Like this:

https://www.newsweek.com/following-racial-slur-university-kansas-professor-placed-leave-397129

Now it's one thing if the professor made a racial slur against someone, but she was using it in an open discussion and not derogatorily (at least nobody has made that claim against her). And now a bunch of dumbass students want her fired? F Them. Freedom of speech at a University is critical to make the whole place work.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Are you denying they have the right?

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rights are taken away when they infringe upon the rights of others. White unions celebrating America's white legacy and history do this precisely. The fact we are arguing for the existence of a white student group in 2015 is jarring.

 

[Archie Moses]

Gonna go on a limb and assume that he thinks the students have every right to that union, given his right-wing stance on almost every other discussion he's been a part of that I've seen on this forum.

Wait, what? Smh...

 

[Stoked]

Gonna go on a limb and assume that he thinks the students have every right to that union, given his right-wing stance on almost every other discussion he's been a part of that I've seen on this forum.

They do have every right (in context of this discussion) to form that group. Just as other students can form groups for other races. To say other wise is extremely uninformed and foolish.

Is it a very dumb idea? Of course and I wouldn't join. But let's not act like they should be prevented from doing so.

 

[Stoked]

I'm very proud of western civilization. I think humanity can celebrate our achievements. And I certainly don't advocate for racial shame. I think having a white student union is done intentionally to poke minorities with a stick, say "neener-neener" and puff up our chests. You want to act all smug, JAZZGASM, and insist that it's our right to act like buffoons, you won't get an argument from me, and you won't get me joining in, either.

Nicely done.

 

[GVC]

Now I'm fairly liberal in most views, but what's going on in colleges right now is disgusting.

Any liberal would be disgusted by current trends. The illiberal left is out of control right now.

 

[JAZZGASM]

If you focus on helping the poor, or the disabled, or women, or any other disadvantaged group to which some white people belong, what would be the reason to focus only on the white members of that group?

Exactly the response I was hoping for. As we have discussed before, I do not think any group should focus help only based on race, but it is OK for non white groups to do so. As we have discussed before, I believe all people should be treated equally based on their situation, not their color. There are many very disadvantaged white people that will never have a chance. Who cares how many other white people have had an advantage? We have had this discussion before, and I do not think we need to do it again.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Whose definition?



White people already have the many good things white people have done celebrated, as a regular part of societal activities. White authors are the major subject of study in university literature departments. White leaders are the primary subject of study in history departments. I could continue this for a long time. What part of this heritage is in danger of disappearing?

1. The definition set forth by the US government, as crazy as that sounds.

2.While I uderstand they point, I did not realize my heritage had to be in danger in order to celebrate it. As I said above, if it is done out of hatevery or racism, it is not OK, but celebrating one's heritage is not automatically racist.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I'm very proud of western civilization. I think humanity can celebrate our achievements. And I certainly don't advocate for racial shame. I think having a white student union is done intentionally to poke minorities with a stick, say "neener-neener" and puff up our chests. You want to act all smug, JAZZGASM, and insist that it's our right to act like buffoons, you won't get an argument from me, and you won't get me joining in, either.

If anyone is acting smug, it is not me. I am simply pointing out the PC hypocrisy that exists.

 

[GVC]

rights are taken away when they infringe upon the rights of others. White unions celebrating America's white legacy and history do this precisely.

No they don't. What an absurd statement. The authoritarian mind at work!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Now I'm fairly liberal in most views, but what's going on in colleges right now is disgusting. Like this:

https://www.newsweek.com/following-racial-slur-university-kansas-professor-placed-leave-397129

Now it's one thing if the professor made a racial slur against someone, but she was using it in an open discussion and not derogatorily (at least nobody has made that claim against her). And now a bunch of dumbass students want her fired? F Them. Freedom of speech at a University is critical to make the whole place work.

PC Principal must work there.

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[VINYLONE]

"Why is it always accepted that the existence of a black student union or an Asian student union or one for women, Jews, Muslims or anyone else is the routine business of the day, but the suggestion of a white student union is immediately painted as abhorrent?"
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/university-illinois-condemns-white-student-union-facebook-page
Thoughts?

Interesting article. I looked for the quote from the beginning of OP's post in the article but couldn't find it. I'm not sure if the statement is Archie's or another individual's. I also clicked on the referenced original article to see if there was anything being mis-reported and everything seemed to be legit.

The quick answer that comes to mind is whether in the history of pro-white "organizations," has there ever been one that WASN'T at the consequence of other races? Meaning, are there any examples of groups claiming to be "pro white" that are not rooted in racism? I don't know of any but am always willing to learn new things.

 

[franklin]

Being white and thinking that all the great things that have happened are because of our white heritage, ignoring the extermination of Native Americans, slavery, institutional discrimination, is pretty ****ing dumb, imo. And it is about the punching up vs punching down thing. Why, when you are in a position of privilege, would you need to go around hooting and hollering about how great it is to be you? I can tell you one reason, to prop up "your kind" and continue to discriminatory practices that keep "others" down. So yeah, it's distasteful to me. To put it in sports terms, it's like being a very bad winner.

To play the devil's advocate, how about other racial pride organizations? Every single ethnicity has its own history of atrocities. And I don't mean a little. Look at the history of the Aztecs or Maya. Or the role that African slavers played in slavery. Why can't Europeans be proud of their positive achievements if others can?

Should euro-centric society look down on the Spaniards or look down on the Maya and Aztec?
Should we look down on western civilization or should we look down on Native Americans?

That discussion tends to forget why people sought to tame what they perceived as savages. It's no different than our current stance against ISIS. We perceive them as savages who do not respect or fight for basic human rights.

This is a time old characteristic of humanity. Go back to the days of kings. They ruled with an iron fist and did things we don't approve of by modern standards. But they did it to protect against and control what they perceived as savagery.

It's not going to be any different tomorrow.

 

[Archie Moses]

Fyi, just in case it's not clear, I posted this because it would be click-bait, controversial and make for an interesting discussion. I am noy for white student unions. If minorities feel the need to meet, bond and relate, then all to them.

 

[Stoked]

Fyi, just in case it's not clear, I posted this because it would be click-bait, controversial and make for an interesting discussion. I am noy for white student unions. If minorities feel the need to meet, bond and relate, then all to them.

I am for them in the sense that I am for black student unions. Sure you can have them but I don't think they are a good idea and you wont catch me joining any of them as I think they don't help.

This growing trend towards self segregation is not helping.

 

[VINYLONE]

I am for them in the sense that I am for black student unions. Sure you can have them but I don't think they are a good idea and you wont catch me joining any of them as I think they don't help.

This growing trend towards self segregation is not helping.

I don't think there's a comparison, especially if we are talking about the run-of-the-mill BSU's across this country. Take this one for instance, Googles example when searching "Black Student Union."

https://rockchalkcentral.ku.edu/organization/BSU

What sticks out to you when you see their banned?

or when you click on their profile link:

The Black Student Union was created on the University of Kansas in 1968. Since then we have focused on the building of the black community, but membership is by no means limited to just the black community.

Here's the vision statement from the NBSU:

The vision of NBSU is to; link Black Student Unions at national, regional and state forums; encourage Black Student Unions to pursue graduate and professional study; network Black Student Unions in pursuit of public, private, and non-profit employment; maximize the participation of Black Student Unions in select campus curricular and co-curricular activities ….STEM, study abroad, undergraduate research and student government/leadership.

Again, are these black unions functioning at the consequence of others races? The black community suffers from fatherless families, an incarceration rate far higher than for every other race and a host of other problems. Black unions seem to me to add a sense of discipline and goal oriented thinking which is usually wholly needed in many communities regardless of race.