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Terror attack on US soil with 12 casualties!

I'm so glad that Dutch isn't around to post in threads like this one
 
Strange, the perpetrator looks so stable...

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Siro said:
Strange, the perpetrator looks so stable...

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You say he looks like he lives in a stable? Probably does. I wish we could trade him with ISIS for some of the hostages they are currently holding, or maybe we could just give him to them as a gesture of good will, no strings attached. They'd deal with him a lot more swiftly than our justice system ever will.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You say he looks like he lives in a stable? Probably does. I wish we could trade him with ISIS for some of the hostages they are currently holding, or maybe we could just give him to them as a gesture of good will, no strings attached. They'd deal with him a lot more swiftly than our justice system ever will.
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Yeah. I guess that's why they call it a "Justice System" and not a lynch mob.
 
Zombie said:
Yeah. I guess that's why they call it a "Justice System" and not a lynch mob.
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Agreed. It's the right way to handle it, but we obviously don't live in a fair world. A video was recently posted in the Paris thread showing the atrocities innocent people are facing in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, here in America, this guy commits atrocities and will now cost taxpayers thousands and thousands of dollars to deal with in a civil way. Life sure plays out differently depending upon where in the world you happen to live.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Agreed. It's the right way to handle it, but we obviously don't live in a fair world. A video was recently posted in the Paris thread showing the atrocities innocent people are facing in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, here in America, this guy commits atrocities and will now cost taxpayers thousands and thousands of dollars to deal with in a civil way. Life sure plays out differently depending upon where in the world you happen to live.
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Yeah that's true, gives you perspective. It's not perfect and bureaucracy can be expensive and frustrating but our system is pretty good all things considered.
 
carolinajazz said:
....although this was an act of "terror", in the strictest sense of the word, it was not the result of a "holy Jihad" in which the perpetrator was acting on a religious "belief" that all individuals NOT Muslim are "infidels" and thus need to be eliminated, true or false?
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In fairness, we do not know this man's motives. I believe it's safe to say that that is true, it was not part of a jihad against non Muslims. Far more likely to be related to the pro life/ pro choice conflict.
Nonetheless, I am willing to believe this individual, in his own mind, felt that his God, the God of his faith, approved of killing pro choice people. And since terrorists acting in the name of Allah feel justified by their faith in killing infidels, and some people who are pro life feel justified in killing people, if they are both acting because they believe this is what their God expects of them, then there's not much to chose between the two.

But, I am jumping the gun in assuming this was a pro life advocate come unhinged. I have no evidence that my assumptions have any basis in reality. For all I know, he was completely insane and following the instructions of voices in his head. Natural to assume it might be related to pro life/pro choice, but we don't know much about this guy just yet. He exchanged gunfire with the police. For all I know, the venue was coincidental. But suffice to say I'm talking off the top of my head here. Seldom the best foundation for an argument one way or the other.

If he was acting on a "religious belief" that pro choice people need to be eliminated, then, like terrorists from ISIS attacking innocent Parisians, there might be a similar dynamic at work beneath the surface....
 
carolinajazz said:
....although this was an act of "terror", in the strictest sense of the word, it was not the result of a "holy Jihad" in which the perpetrator was acting on a religious "belief" that all individuals NOT Muslim are "infidels" and thus need to be eliminated, true or false?
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Without knowing the particulars yet, as to motive, and looking at the guy, voices in the head would come as no surprise after all, could we nonetheless speak in terms of a religiously inspired low level "jihad" against supporters of pro choice? If both jihadists from IS and pro life individuals attacking abortion clinics are both "inspired by their faith" and believe, in both cases, that they reflect the will of God, then that's what I mean by the underlying dynamic behind the actions are similar. Human beings angry enough to believe God requires them to go after the "non believers". The infidels do not adhere to the will of Allah. The pro choice movement does not adhere to the will of God.
 
carolinajazz said:
....although this was an act of "terror", in the strictest sense of the word, it was not the result of a "holy Jihad" in which the perpetrator was acting on a religious "belief" that all individuals NOT Muslim are "infidels" and thus need to be eliminated, true or false?
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Why am I not surprised you're going to defend a white guy?
 
carolinajazz said:
....although this was an act of "terror", in the strictest sense of the word, it was not the result of a "holy Jihad" in which the perpetrator was acting on a religious "belief" that all individuals NOT Muslim are "infidels" and thus need to be eliminated, true or false?
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What is your point?
 
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