Trey Burke is still garbage.

[silesian]

My problem with the whole "he's not a real PG thing" is who is he expected to pass to? When you are playing with Milsap, Whitney, Ingles, Booker(who can't make a lay up to save his soul this season), Lyles(who at the time was missing everything, and Johnson

How many minutes does Burke play alongside Hayward, Favors, Burks and Hood.

Then contrast this to time playing with Milsap, Withey, Ingles, Booker, Lyles and Johnson.

 

[candrew]

I feel pretty confident that Burke will reach his ceiling of a service-able back-up - even on a good team.

However relative to where he was picked in the draft and what the Jazz had to give up to get him - he's been a huge disappointment.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I feel pretty confident that Burke will reach his ceiling of a service-able back-up - even on a good team.

However relative to where he was picked in the draft and what the Jazz had to give up to get him - he's been a huge disappointment.

His ceiling is an OK starter. I think he is already a serviceable back-up.

 

[candrew]

His ceiling is an OK starter. I think he is already a serviceable back-up.

The guy has virtually zero playmaking skills (that he's willing to utilize anyway) and is a below average defender. He's a 2 in a 1 body.

If he ever makes it as a starter it won't be for a good team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The guy has virtually zero playmaking skills (that he's willing to utilize anyway) and is a below average defender. He's a 2 in a 1 body.

If he ever makes it as a starter it won't be for a good team.

I definitely disagree with the first part. Utah just isn't a team that is very conductive to getting assist, which seems to be what you are mostly basing "virtually zero playmaking skillls" comment on. As far as below average defender, that is true of a lot of PG's in the league. I don' think he is that bad and can approach average on most nights where his size isn't a huge issue vs bigger PG's.

 

[Boris]

Trey Burke is rising his trade value. How this is garbage for Jazz and fans?

Please stop being haters of everyone Utah Jazz. Look at Brandon Knight. I remember everyone talking trash on him several years after draft just like you are talking Trey trash. Tgese are young kids they will take time to develop. Trey still has like 5-6 years before hitting his peak stride. Brandon Knight is a very good ball player. He worked hard even though fans say trade trade trade.

 

[candrew]

I definitely disagree with the first part. Utah just isn't a team that is very conductive to getting assist, which seems to be what you are mostly basing "virtually zero playmaking skillls" comment on. As far as below average defender, that is true of a lot of PG's in the league. I don' think he is that bad and can approach average on most nights where his size isn't a huge issue vs bigger PG's.

I base it on the fact that he's not a good passer or a willing passer.

And it's not he's just a below average defender - with Burke's size coming off the bench you need to be a high energy defender. Burke is small and a low energy defender. A bad combination.

Let me put it this way - I'm glad he doesn't suck as much as I thought he would. But back to my original point, if you trade down to a Top 10 and you don't get a solid starter, that's a huge swing and a miss - even by the substandard expectations most Jazz fans have learned to live with.

 

[GVC]

if you trade down to a Top 10 and you don't get a solid starter, that's a huge swing and a miss

Not in the 2013 draft. Burke's production this season is close to inline with his draft position relative to other players picked in 2013. It's arguably a bit of a miss, but far from a huge one.

 

[da ThRONe]

I base it on the fact that he's not a good passer or a willing passer.

And it's not he's just a below average defender - with Burke's size coming off the bench you need to be a high energy defender. Burke is small and a low energy defender. A bad combination.

Let me put it this way - I'm glad he doesn't suck as much as I thought he would. But back to my original point, if you trade down to a Top 10 and you don't get a solid starter, that's a huge swing and a miss - even by the substandard expectations most Jazz fans have learned to live with.

What's being a "willing" passer? Some of the criticism makes me think people literally aren't watching the games. Burke has been a willing passer and while some may say he's still shooting too much you'd be hard press to watch the games and complain about his shot selection. He's shown in the last few games what he can do in terms of assist and/or getting teammates involved.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

"I don't have to prove myself" has to be one of the worst and most foolish ways to start a tirade ever.

 

[Kyoto]

Sounds like Burke ****ed Kyoto's momma.


And that thang ain't no milimetre-Peter either. Sorry to hear, Kyotz.

That may or may not be the truth, but he does linger when he hugs my mom

 

[Kyoto]

...

Who dat?

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I would agree not all drafts are created equal and the consensus about the 2013 draft was that it was a down year. However even then the #9 pick of course you hope to land a star but odds are if you get an average starter from that spot you should be happy:

2015 Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin – Charlotte Hornets
2014 Noah Vonleh, Indiana – Charlotte Hornets
2013 Trey Burke, Michigan – Minnesota Timberwolves
2012 Andre Drummond, Connecticut – Detroit Pistons
2011 Kemba Walker, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2010 Gordon Hayward, Butler – Utah Jazz
2000’s
2009 DeMar Derozen, USC – Toronto Raptors
2008 D.J. Augustin, Texas – Charlotte Bobcats
2007 Joakim Noah, Florida – Chicago Bulls
2006 Patrick O’Bryant, Bradley – Golden State Warriors
2005 Ike Diogu, Arizona State – Golden State Warriors
2004 Andre Iguodala, Arizona – Philadelphia 76ers
2003 Mike Sweetney, Georgetown – New York Knicks
2002 Amare Stoudemire, Cypress Creek HS (Fla.) – Phoenix Suns
2001 Rodney White, UNC-Charlotte – Detroit Pistons
2000 Joel Przybilla, Minnesota – Houston Rockets
1990’s
1999 Shawn Marion, UNLV – Phoenix Suns
1998 Dirk Nowitzki, Germany – Milwaukee Bucks
1997 Tracy McGrady, Mount Zion Christian Academy (N.C.) – Toronto Raptors
1996 Samaki Walker, Louisville – Dallas Mavericks
1995 Ed O’Bannon, UCLA – New Jersey Nets
1994 Eric Montross, North Carolina – Boston Celtics
1993 Rodney Rogers, Wake Forest – Denver Nuggets
1992 Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Mississippi – Philadelphia 76ers
1991 Stacey Augmon, UNLV – Atlanta Hawks
1990 Willie Burton, Minnesota – Miami HEAT
1980’s
1989 Tom Hammonds, Georgia Tech – Washington Bullets
1988 Rony Seikaly, Syracuse – Miami HEAT
1987 Derrick McKey, Alabama – Seattle Supersonics
1986 Brad Sellers, Ohio State – Chicago Bulls
1985 Charles Oakley, Virginia Union – Cleveland Cavaliers
1984 Otis Thorpe, Providence – Kansas City Kings
1983 Dale Ellis, Tennessee – Dallas Mavericks
1982 Cliff Levingston, Wichita State – Detroit Pistons
1981 Rolando Blackman, Kansas State – Dallas Mavericks
1980 Michael Brooks, La Salle – San Diego Clippers

I could go back further but why, most of us wouldn't know or recognize the majority of the players.


As far as the OP. I think if you wouldn't state things so much as a fact and extremes you'd get a lot of agreement with your post. First 'garbage' that is WAY to extreme and an over statement. He's a playing well and playing like a good back up with potential to grow, of course he could regress as well, he's only a 3rd year PG.

Of course almost all if not all fans believe Exum is the starter when he gets back and he is the hope for the future at PG, if the Jazz want to get where we all hope they can get. So most fans understand that after his rookie contract is up he may not want to stay on as a backup PG and there is nothing wrong with that but that doesn't change the fact that finding a better back up wont be easy or cheaper. So to just disregard him is just ignorant or misguided possibly by so much angst and other negative feelings directed towards him for so long. Just take a step back from all that emotion and see things for what they are.

I personally hope coach Snyder is grooming him to be comfortable in that back up PG role and so he excepts it and is willing to stay after his rookie contract, although I seriously doubt he would want to as he understandably will want to see if he can get an increased role somewhere else. But who knows maybe the Jazz will show so much potential he will have a hard time leaving that for a team that will give him more minutes at the price of winning.

 

[Kyoto]

It's pretty obvious that it never occurred to the OP when he wrote his headline that he's talking about an actual person. And then he has the nerve to begin his post by saying that he doesn't need to prove himself. Pathetic.

What's pathetic is not talking about the post or the subject and just saying that I'm pathetic.

 

[Kyoto]

What i'm saying is that he scores and... gets scored on quite regularly. He doesn't have anyone to pass to in the 2nd team besides burks, but that's why he is there. He wont pass the ball, that's why he is perfect for the 2nd unit. He is perfect for a team that he doesn't need to pass the ball to anyone.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Ha just looked at the pattern of the #9 pick and more so since the 2000's and the 3 years before Trey was drafted was:
2012 Andre Drummond, Connecticut – Detroit Pistons
2011 Kemba Walker, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2010 Gordon Hayward, Butler – Utah Jazz

Kemba is the worst of the bunch but a solid starter (for a scoring first PG, with no defense) but the pattern there seems the Jazz got lucky for Trey to be as good as he has shown thus far. Kinda seems like the pattern is a 2good, 1 bad or 1good and 2bad years and picks, with the occasional okay or very good mixed in.

 

[silesian]

What i'm saying is that he scores and... gets scored on quite regularly. He doesn't have anyone to pass to in the 2nd team besides burks, but that's why he is there. He wont pass the ball, that's why he is perfect for the 2nd unit. He is perfect for a team that he doesn't need to pass the ball to anyone.

Start watching who Burke is on the floor with, you'll see guys named Favors, Hayward and Hood.

 

[Kyoto]

Start watching who Burke is on the floor with, you'll see guys named Favors, Hayward and Hood.

Well because there is a lack at the PG position sure, it will happen on occasion. You will see more of Burks and Hood in crunch time though. Just watch the end of close games and see who Snyder trusts more in close games.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

What's pathetic is not talking about the post or the subject and just saying that I'm pathetic.

I'm supposed to crap on Trey just because you did? Guys like you make me want to cheer for him, and I've never even liked him.

 

[Jazz4ever]

What i'm saying is that he scores and... gets scored on quite regularly. He doesn't have anyone to pass to in the 2nd team besides burks, but that's why he is there. He wont pass the ball, that's why he is perfect for the 2nd unit. He is perfect for a team that he doesn't need to pass the ball to anyone.

Defenders generally sag off Burke and give him the open jumpers, so he is doing exactly what he has to. Indiana didn't and Burke killed them with a spot on pass to Favors. He is a very capable passer but teams are making him prove he can shoot the ball. It's the scouting report for every team on Burke.