The Jazz are trading D-Will to New Jersey!?

[The Thriller]

I disagree. Deron's better than Dirk. We just needed another star talent to be a contender.

This post proves my point. We just needed "star talent" to be a contender. Which star? Like I asked before, be specific.

And how do we get this star? Utah isn't exactly a Mecca of tourism and nightclubs. Especially if this star is an African American.

So which star?

And how do we get him? We aren't exactly under the cap... In fact, we were going to pay a lot in luxury tax.

It's too easy to bash KOC for not getting Deron "star talent" in the next few years. But KOC cannot work like that. He actually needs to you know, take into consideration a specific player (not just talent), the salary of that player, the other team's salary cap situation, our own, whether the player will actually come and play for us, etc.
This isn't NBA 2k11 when you can just override a trade that allows us to trade Ronnie Price for Lebron James.

So please, I ask once more, who should KOC traded and for whom? Who should KOC signed? How would KOC constructed a contender in the next 2 years? Be specific.

 

[Marty McFly]

This post proves my point. We just needed "star talent" to be a contender. Which star? Like I asked before, be specific.

And how do we get this star? Utah isn't exactly a Mecca of tourism and nightclubs. Especially if this star is an African American.

So which star?

And how do we get him? We aren't exactly under the cap... In fact, we were going to pay a lot in luxury tax.

It's too easy to bash KOC for not getting Deron "star talent" in the next few years. But KOC cannot work like that. He actually needs to you know, take into consideration a specific player (not just talent), the salary of that player, the other team's salary cap situation, our own, whether the player will actually come and play for us, etc.
This isn't NBA 2k11 when you can just override a trade that allows us to trade Ronnie Price for Lebron James.

So please, I ask once more, who should KOC traded and for whom? Who should KOC signed? How would KOC constructed a contender in the next 2 years? Be specific.

Yeah, and trading our best asset 1.5 years before his contract is up in a VERY risky deal will definitely get us to a championship faster. You're pathetic.

 

[mellow]

1.5 years is technically correct, but you only have 7 weeks of this season and maybe no season at all next year. I think the uncertainty of next season and a rookie coach were deciding factors, but it was probably because of Deron's attitude that a phone call was made in the first place.

 

[Jazz Traveler]

Has there been anything in the papers about Deron's so-called "passing notes" with Knicks management during all star weekend and the Jazz finding out about it? That's probably where the smoking gun lies as to why this deal was put together in 24 hours immediately following all star break.

 

[Champzz]

https://twitter.com/saltcityhoops/status/40499282964389888

Any word on what "passing notes" consisted of?

Yeah, what's this?

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Yeah, what's this?

Knicks as in Front Office or Melo & Amare?

 

[Champzz]

King hadn’t called O’Connor about Williams, but about Andrei Kirilenko, the Russian forward. They talked about the possibilities of a deal for Kirilenko’s expiring contract, but there was nothing there. Anything else, O’Connor asked? “What about Deron Williams?” King said with a I-know-that’s-silly laugh. O’Connor responded, well, if you’re serious about discussing him, we’re serious. Yahoo! Sports

Must have been King's greatest day in his life. I would have pooped my pants during that conversation.

 

[NCJazz]

Yeah, and trading our best asset 1.5 years before his contract is up in a VERY risky deal will definitely get us to a championship faster. You're pathetic.

Were we championship material with him this year? Did it look like we were going to be championship material next year. if there is a next year, then lose him for nothing? One star player back was not going to cut it. With the trade we have an opportunity to get 4. DWill was a goner lets face it. This allows us to rebuild and with harris stay competitive at the same time.

 

[Archie Moses]

Yeah, and trading our best asset 1.5 years before his contract is up in a VERY risky deal will definitely get us to a championship faster. You're pathetic.

Deron didn't get a championship with talent around him. What says he'll ever be capable of leading a team to a championship? Plus, everyone knows he was gonna bail and hold the team hostage next year demanding for a trade.

 

[fairweather]

This post proves my point. We just needed "star talent" to be a contender. Which star? Like I asked before, be specific.

And how do we get this star? Utah isn't exactly a Mecca of tourism and nightclubs. Especially if this star is an African American.

So which star?

And how do we get him? We aren't exactly under the cap... In fact, we were going to pay a lot in luxury tax.

It's too easy to bash KOC for not getting Deron "star talent" in the next few years. But KOC cannot work like that. He actually needs to you know, take into consideration a specific player (not just talent), the salary of that player, the other team's salary cap situation, our own, whether the player will actually come and play for us, etc.
This isn't NBA 2k11 when you can just override a trade that allows us to trade Ronnie Price for Lebron James.

So please, I ask once more, who should KOC traded and for whom? Who should KOC signed? How would KOC constructed a contender in the next 2 years? Be specific.

The question is too open-ended (and silly). I know it is difficult to get star players in Utah and that's what proves MY point. When you have one, you don't let him go unless you get another in return. No one here is privy to all the information KOC has. IMO, we've let several players go that we shouldn't have. DWill is just the worst blunder of all.

 

[fairweather]

Plus, everyone knows he was gonna bail and hold the team hostage next year demanding for a trade.

I don't know that, and neither do you. One of things I used to like about the Jazz organization is that they give players the benefit of a doubt. A year and a half was plenty of time to work something out and the franchise has let us all down with poor management.

 

[NCJazz]

The question is too open-ended (and silly). I know it is difficult to get star players in Utah and that's what proves MY point. When you have one, you don't let him go unless you get another in return. No one here is privy to all the information KOC has. IMO, we've let several players go that we shouldn't have. DWill is just the worst blunder of all.

You are probably referring to players who left as free agents. We did want to keep pretty much all of them including Matthews and Boozer, but got outbid. Now with Boozer we did get the trade exception which helped us to get Jefferson keep in mind. Not matching Matthews helped us to get Bell. Ok, that is a bad example but hard to keep all your free agents is the bottom line.

 

[NCJazz]

I don't know that, and neither do you. One of things I used to like about the Jazz organization is that they give players the benefit of a doubt. A year and a half was plenty of time to work something out and the franchise has let us all down with poor management.

Jazz FO not living in fantasy land like Cleveland's or Toronto's. Yes, there was a 25% he would have signed an extension, but again have we been championship material with him. Now the one year we played LA well in the playoffs was the closest, but it has been downhill since then.

 

[VINYLONE]

Deron didn't get a championship with talent around him. What says he'll ever be capable of leading a team to a championship? Plus, everyone knows he was gonna bail and hold the team hostage next year demanding for a trade.

Huh? Since when is the Utah Jazz a tennis team?

 

[fairweather]

You are probably referring to players who left as free agents. We did want to keep pretty much all of them including Matthews and Boozer, but got outbid. Now with Boozer we did get the trade exception which helped us to get Jefferson keep in mind. Not matching Matthews helped us to get Bell. Ok, that is a bad example but hard to keep all your free agents is the bottom line.

Jazz FO not living in fantasy land like Cleveland's or Toronto's. Yes, there was a 25% he would have signed an extension, but again have we been championship material with him. Now the one year we played LA well in the playoffs was the closest, but it has been downhill since then

Ha, a way bad example! I'm not a Bell hater, but I really liked Matthews. The Jazz could have matched the Chicago offer, I believe.

Having a player like Deron Williams attracts other top players that want a shot at a championship, ones that might not have considered playing here otherwise. We have not been championship material, but now we've lost a pretty big carrot.

 

[Jazz Traveler]

Does anybody else snicker a little bit whenever they think of Deron playing for Avery Johnson? There's poetic justice for ya'.

 

[sportsnut1232]

Pretty sure Jazz management knew Deron's feelings and probably had a better idea of the FA market than most of us.

But since some of you want to criticize KOC, lets let you play GM.

So what do we need to become a contender under Deron in the next 2 years? Lets forget the probable lockout and the new (stricter) salary cap.

Play GM geniuses, since it's so easy to bash KOC.

Who do we get?

Dwight Howard? Think he'll come to Utah?

K, so we need a SG since Raja sucks and CJ is inconsistent. Who we gonna get? Rip Hamilton? Seriously? Is he what puts us over the top? Dwade? Think Miami will give him away for a future 2nd rounder?

Is Millsap really the PF that will win us a championship?

Is Memo ever coming back?

Oh wait, is Fess going to somehow become Shaq?

K, so who else folks. I'm all ears!

What did you want KOC to do? Because all I've read is.... "we need a SG... We need a longer/taller PF.... We need a backup point.... We need a gooder SF...."

Yet, hardly anyone offers specifics. And the specifics that are offered are either completely ridiculous (like us getting a bunch of allstars for AKs expiring) or not nearly enough (like rip or troy murphy or some of the other trades that have been suggested).

So please, by all means, bash KOC. But until you have offered any realistic alternatives to bringing the Jazz to a contender status with Deron in the next 2 years, then shut up.

This. We had virtually no chance to become a contender in the next 2 years and that is the only way we would have kept Deron. Funny how just a month agoo everyone was yelling "we need change" and when we finally get it, people complain about it. It was time to start over and we sped up the rebuilding process.

 

[fairweather]

LOL! We needed change! The Jazz had a sprained wrist, so GM and KOC cut off its arm!

 

[m3at]

lol! We needed change! The jazz had a sprained wrist, so gm and koc cut off its arm!

ftmfw

 

[jope]

rebuilding could eventually be good thing for this team. i will not lie though, losing deron without a warning stings. he helped me transition from casually watching the jazz to the rabid jazz fan i am today. i give him all of the credit for that, he was an exciting spark in a rudimentary-same-every-year system. once malone ditched us and stock threw in the towel i couldn't see myself being more than a casual fan but deron helped me get back into it, and i appreciate him for that and will be a fan throughout his career.

that said, i hope to see the next malone with this kid, and i hope to see another trade, because through all of this, we still havent addressed the issues we have been suffering through all along.... wing and center.... im worried they have too much invested in a weak draft class and an unknown rookie, id rather trade for a proven commodity.