Go GET Teague

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would like to add wesley matthews to the group of players (carroll, danny green) that some wanted to get last offseason who we luckily didn't add.

He is playing 33 minutes per game and averaging 12.8 ppg on 39% shooting from the field, averaging 1.8 assists, and 3 rebounds and only gets to the line less than 2 times per game.

The cake baking was the right idea. The injuries screwed the cake up otherwise the cake would be really tasty.

The only exception would be that i would have liked to go get a point guard last summer (i was always down with this despite being a "cake baker" since i have been an exum hater) but i dont remember any non cake bakers suggesting any point guards. It was pretty much just go get carroll, green, or matthews and im glad that we didn't do that.

Cake baking and adding players wasn't mutually exclusive. Had we gotten Carroll, Green, Middleton, Matthews (was never too keen on that one, but it still might turn out well for Dallas) we would have had a better team and more flexibility to trade other guys... or if injuries happen like the almost always do you were covered. I never thought those guys would come here though.

I was more pissed we did nothing... NOTHING... with our cap asset when good deals were out there. I was more advocating adding a Casspi, Jerebko, Aminu type that would have taken Ingles/Johnson minutes and given us flexibility between the 3 and 4. All of those guys were gettable and Jerebko doesn't even play much so he would have likely accepted the role we had available.

We could have done something different at PG or 3rd big but I understood why we didn't because at the time Exum was healthy and Booker was good at basketball (or at least kind of good). To do nothing was a big mistake. Had we offered Casspi a 4 year deal at twice what he is making per year that would be a big asset for us (and I did advocate signing him prior to this year and am not just rewriting history based on results). A deal like that would have been... wait for it... frosting on the cake and would have allowed us to ... wait for it... have our cake and eat it too.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why weren't people talking about how the jazz should go after deandre jordan and Tyson Chandler and Paul millsap or other bigs in free agency last year? Could it be because we have Gobert and favors already?

Imagine a rotation at the 4 and 5 of Gobert, jordan, favors, and millsap. Quin could have made that work yet I didn't hear about any plans like that for some reason

I understand why couldn't get a big... Some of these guys that are wings like Jae Crowder though... can theoretcially play three positions, so they offer some roster flexibility. You can't play Jordan and Gobert together, but could you play Crowder at 3, 4, or even the 2 some.

 

[fishonjazz]

Cake baking and adding players wasn't mutually exclusive. Had we gotten Carroll, Green, Middleton, Matthews (was never too keen on that one, but it still might turn out well for Dallas) we would have had a better team and more flexibility to trade other guys... or if injuries happen like the almost always do you were covered. I never thought those guys would come here though.

I was more pissed we did nothing... NOTHING... with our cap asset when good deals were out there. I was more advocating adding a Casspi, Jerebko, Aminu type that would have taken Ingles/Johnson minutes and given us flexibility between the 3 and 4. All of those guys were gettable and Jerebko doesn't even play much so he would have likely accepted the role we had available.

We could have done something different at PG or 3rd big but I understood why we didn't because at the time Exum was healthy and Booker was good at basketball (or at least kind of good). To do nothing was a big mistake. Had we offered Casspi a 4 year deal at twice what he is making per year that would be a big asset for us (and I did advocate signing him prior to this year and am not just rewriting history based on results). A deal like that would have been... wait for it... frosting on the cake and would have allowed us to ... wait for it... have our cake and eat it too.

I don't think cake bakers advocated doing nothing... I think we just didn't want to add high priced free agents that were not any better than what we already had at a position of strength.

If it was being proposed to trade Burks and burke for the #4 pick, get carroll in free agency, and try to find a 3rd point guard (green, cotton) then I think cake bakers would have been open to it.

All I ever heard was go get green/carroll/matthews. That's it.
If the plan is to simply add expensive talent at positions that we are strong at then why not deandre and millsap? After all favors and Gobert were our only good bigs (2 players) where our wings had three good players. And favors and Gobert are really both more of 5's.

Yet I never heard much talk of going after expensive bigs. Why is that?

 

[fishonjazz]

I understand why couldn't get a big... Some of these guys that are wings like Jae Crowder though... can theoretcially play three positions, so they offer some roster flexibility. You can't play Jordan and Gobert together, but could you play Crowder at 3, 4, or even the 2 some.

You could play millsap at 3 or 4.

How expensive was crowder? Would he be fine if he were the 4th wing playing limited minutes? If so then the cake bakers would not have objected

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think cake bakers advocated doing nothing... I think we just didn't want to add high priced free agents that were not any better than what we already had at a position of strength.

If it was being proposed to trade Burks and burke for the #4 pick, get carroll in free agency, and try to find a 3rd point guard (green, cotton) then I think cake bakers would have been open to it.

All I ever heard was go get green/carroll/matthews. That's it.
If the plan is to simply add expensive talent at positions that we are strong at then why not deandre and millsap? After all favors and Gobert were our only good bigs (2 players) where our wings had three good players. And favors and Gobert are really both more of 5's.

Yet I never heard much talk of going after expensive bigs. Why is that?

I would have gone after certain high priced guys with the understanding that they have options and probably say no, but then moved to the others... it was less about cake and chemistry to me and more about acquiring talent for an asset that was going to go away. Like a $100 coupon that expires... I feel like we just said we don't need anymore stuff that coupon can buy so why go to the store.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You could play millsap at 3 or 4.

How expensive was crowder? Would he be fine if he were the 4th wing playing limited minutes? If so then the cake bakers would not have objected

I think some folks were talking about Millman based on DJ Jody Wojornoski's report that the Jazz were interested. I know I was still unsettled on the wing because of Hood's injury issues and Burks coming back from an injury and needing to make adjustments.

Crowder was like $8M a year which people kind of raised eyebrows at but now looks like an effing steal. To be fair I wasn't sure he was a deadly enough shooter/offensive player to do what he is doing now. But Jonas at 2 years 5.8M is robbery. I thought he'd get at least mid level. Even Bellinelli would have been a good add for us that I could see us completing.

If the cake bakkers are not advocating the "just do nothing" strategy then I'm fine with that, but I also would have been fine signing the expensive guy and figuring it out.

 

[NAOS]

Will your coveted 5th seed blow it all up in 3 more years?

brough, you know I'd prefer the perpetual 1st seeds.

 

[fishonjazz]

I would have gone after certain high priced guys with the understanding that they have options and probably say no, but then moved to the others... it was less about cake and chemistry to me and more about acquiring talent for an asset that was going to go away. Like a $100 coupon that expires... I feel like we just said we don't need anymore stuff that coupon can buy so why go to the store.

Oh I see. Well I think that some posters here think that the cake bakers were like "we want to do absolutely nothing to this team no matter what." That's not true. We wanted to do things that made sense.

I doubt it's common practice for teams to look at their roster and say "hmm, we have three really good wings and that is our strongest position so let's add another wing that costs allot of money that isn't really any better than the three we already have." Which is what we would have been doing with additions of carroll, green, or matthews.

Ingles is the perfect 4th wing. Injuries screwed that up. We can't have 4 great expensive wings, 4 great expensive point guards, and 4 great expensive bigs.

It didn't make sense to add an expensive player at a position of strength.

 

[fishonjazz]

, but I also would have been fine signing the expensive guy and figuring it out.

Of course you would, you don't own or run the team.

Is it common for teams to spend allot of money on guys that are not any better than what they already have at a position of strength?

If so can you provide some examples?

Do teams often spend 10-15 million dollars on their 4th wing?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Of course you would, you don't own or run the team.

Is it common for teams to spend allot of money on guys that are not any better than what they already have at a position of strength?

If so can you provide some examples?

Do teams often spend 10-15 million dollars on their 4th wing?

Some of those guys would have been our second wing. Owners of sports franchises don't make rational business decisions... The cavs gave mega millions to Thompson to be a backup but now he's starting. OKC paid the max for Kanter.

As an owner I hope I'd be able to say we are paying two guys a lot of money... If we need to we can trade one to meet another need down the road but if I do nothing then that asset is gone. I would also understand you'd have to pay to have the privledge of that asset and that it may end up underutilized at least for a time.

I did want to offer Middleton the max... He took less from Mil. And that guy could have started at three positions. If we had him and wanted to move burks for other things we could do that. Or if a game changer became available and we had to move hood or Hayward then we'd have the other positions covered.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Of course you would, you don't own or run the team.

Is it common for teams to spend allot of money on guys that are not any better than what they already have at a position of strength?

If so can you provide some examples?

Do teams often spend 10-15 million dollars on their 4th wing?

Also, side note... I'd be the best owner and Fish is still one of my favorite posters.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jody Genessy ‏@DJJazzyJody 10m10 minutes ago
Jazz coach Quin Snyder on swirling trade talk: "I really like our group so much, so it’s easy for me to stay focused on the present."

Quin's way of saying "Yes, get Teague you bitch *** Lindsey". There is no way we arent in some sort of discussion about Teague and Quin isn't aware, because he would be heavily inquired about Teague since he use to coach him.

 

[franklin]

brough, you know I'd prefer the perpetual 1st seeds.

This rebuild is FUBAR.

Teague
Hayward
Hood
Favors
Gobert

No better than Clippers or Rockets. They would give Dallas a good run for their money.



Teague and then what?

 

[fishonjazz]

If we had him and wanted to move burks for other things we could do that. Or if a game changer became available and we had to move hood or Hayward then we'd have the other positions covered.

I disagree with this notion that if there is a logjam you can simply trade a guy. I don't think it's that easy. Especially if you want good value back.

I figure every team in the league has a couple of guys that they would like to move yet how many actual trades go down each year? Maybe 5 or so? (I honestly have no idea if I'm even in the ball park here)

How many trades have the jazz made in the last 10 years?

I don't think it's always that easy to simply trade a guy if there is a logjam.... Unless you want a second rounder back in exchange

 

[franklin]

Teague is averaging 5.5 ast this season by the way.

We need a Lowry level pg at minimum, PLUS another dominant piece.

 

[franklin]

I disagree with this notion that if there is a logjam you can simply trade a guy. I don't think it's that easy. Especially if you want good value back.

I figure every team in the league has a couple of guys that they would like to move yet how many actual trades go down each year? Maybe 5 or so? (I honestly have no idea if I'm even in the ball park here)

How many trades have the jazz made in the last 10 years?

I don't think it's always that easy to simply trade a guy if there is a logjam.... Unless you want a second rounder back in exchange

Monta for Bogut.

 

[fishonjazz]

Teague is averaging 5.5 ast this season by the way.

We need a Lowry level pg at minimum, PLUS another dominant piece.

So we should just trade for lowry and another dominant piece!

Come on DL!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I disagree with this notion that if there is a logjam you can simply trade a guy. I don't think it's that easy. Especially if you want good value back.

I figure every team in the league has a couple of guys that they would like to move yet how many actual trades go down each year? Maybe 5 or so? (I honestly have no idea if I'm even in the ball park here)

How many trades have the jazz made in the last 10 years?

I don't think it's always that easy to simply trade a guy if there is a logjam.... Unless you want a second rounder back in exchange

The example people always cite is the dragic Bledsoe Thomas thing... Which in hindsight would have been fine for Phoenix if they wouldn't have done the knight trade and it turns out dragic wasn't that great anyhow.

I don't think we would have got a top dollar guy... If we did and we had to take reduced value when alleviating the log jam at least we'd get some value... We ended with only the value that Greg is putting in his pocket which sucks for all of us but is great news if you are in the frosted tips and fancy car business

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This rebuild is FUBAR.

Teague
Hayward
Hood
Favors
Gobert

No better than Clippers or Rockets. They would give Dallas a good run for their money.



Teague and then what?

Then Exum comes back and lyles develops and we add first round draft picks to that core. That team if healthy is better than next years clippers, rockets, and grizz if they don't retool. If KD and Steph collide in a game and both tear acls we are in the finals.

 

[franklin]

Then Exum comes back and lyles develops and we add first round draft picks to that core. That team if healthy is better than next years clippers, rockets, and grizz if they don't retool. If KD and Steph collide in a game and both tear acls we are in the finals.