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Name a better wing rotation than Hayward Hood Burks

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Imagine the response to the Early season Hood slump if we had other players here. Dude would lose confidence, maybe even be shipped off.

why do you think the Jazz have been the talk of the league with young player development? It's because of **** like this. How Favors and Hayward were dealt with.
 
Btw, those saying that we wouldn't have to be watching ingles and cj play so much if we had more talented wings need to realize that ingles and cj as 4th wings filling in for your injured 3rd wing are about as good as any other team would have im guessing.

Someone look at the 4th wing on some other teams and see if they are heads and shoulders better than cj and ingles.

Maybe try memphis, Washington, Boston, and Portland. Who are their 4th wings? (That's a good mix of easy and west teams in the playoff hunt)

PS I have not looked at any of those teams rosters to know who the 4th wings are so I promise I have not cherry picked those teams. I might end up looking foolish and wrong bit I doubt it.
4th wings are usually not very good I would think
 
fishonjazz said:
Hood should be a starter. me thinks he is proving that
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Hood wasn't very good at the beginning of the year, he's started turning it on now. If he was playing this well and we had signed somebody else, I think Snyder would start the better player. Again, you act like if we had signed somebody it means that Hood wouldn't improve or start. The first suggestion is definitely false, and I think the probability of the second suggestion being false is quite high.
 
dalamon said:
Imagine the response to the Early season Hood slump if we had other players here. Dude would lose confidence, maybe even be shipped off.

why do you think the Jazz have been the talk of the league with young player development? It's because of **** like this. How Favors and Hayward were dealt with.
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Or maybe the competition would push him more, and he would've improved faster. Maybe he wouldn't have had a slump. We don't know. To blindly state otherwise is foolish.
 
Howard said:
Trade situation can go both ways. Maybe their ceiling isn't as high as we thought (Kanter), maybe it's higher (Hood). Doesn't mean you don't bring in more competition, more talent.
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And that's why this clearly not a clear science-- otherwise every NBA GM would be successful. It's all situational and contextual. Sometimes you get burned, sometimes you don't.


Drafting a center in Rudy even though we had Kanter? Smart.

Signing Tobias or Wes to a near-max? Moronic.

By waiting out an extra season and providing these unknown players with the opportunities to show us their talents, we can better assess their talents, and better construct a roster for a proper championship run in the next year.
 
fishonjazz said:
Again. Fine burks isnt a good third wing on this team. Who is?
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Don't know off the top of my head, although this is the appropriate thread for that discussion. I don't really watch enough basketball anymore to be terribly confident in my player assessments.

The best, potentially signable (i.e., not Kevin Durant) free agent wings this summer are Nic Batum and Harrison Barnes. Either might be a better fit with their size/defense and feel. Alec is better creating his own offense, however, which might be needed off the bench. I'm just not sold on the Burke-Burks combo, and think the Jazz could use a quality wing defender who isn't a HUGE minus offensively.
 
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dalamon said:
why do you think the Jazz have been the talk of the league with young player development? It's because of **** like this. How Favors and Hayward were dealt with.
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Favors and Hayward played behind established veterans their first three seasons (more true of Favors, although Gordo started fewer than half his games through season 3).
 
Howard said:
Or maybe the competition would push him more, and he would've improved faster. Maybe he wouldn't have had a slump. We don't know. To blindly state otherwise is foolish.
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Many examples where this hasn't happened. Young players get shipped off, and explode once given the proper opportunity to succeed.
 
GVC said:
The best, potentially signable (i.e., not Kevin Durant) free agent wings this summer are Nic Batum and Harrison Barnes. Either might be a better fit with their size/defense and feel. Alec is better creating his own offense, however, which might be needed off the bench. I'm just not sold on the Burke-Burks combo, and think the Jazz could use a quality wing defender who isn't a HUGE minus offensively.
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I agree with this though I hear barnes wants max money. I think Burks at 10 million is better than barnes at 20
 
1) Dallas way overpaid for Matthews, his market price was not what he got paid. But I agree that it was foolish.

2) If we had signed Harris, which I wouldn't have loved, and drafted Booker, it wouldn't be that bad overall. I prefer Lyles to Harris, mainly because he can actually pass and his versatility, but it really wouldn't be that bad.
 
Howard said:
Hood wasn't very good at the beginning of the year, he's started turning it on now. If he was playing this well and we had signed somebody else, I think Snyder would start the better player. Again, you act like if we had signed somebody it means that Hood wouldn't improve or start. The first suggestion is definitely false, and I think the probability of the second suggestion being false is quite high.
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And you and others act like it's just common and simple to have 4 wings all as good as or better than burks.

I would like to hear some 4th wings on other teams that are good and just chilling happily on the bench
 
dalamon said:
Many examples where this hasn't happened. Young players get shipped off, and explode once given the proper opportunity to succeed.
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I think you're far too confident and self-serving in your preferred counterfactual. Those players may have exploded had they not been shipped out.
 
fishonjazz said:
And you and others act like it's just common and simple to have 4 wings all as good as or better than burks.

I would like to hear some 4th wings on other teams that are good and just chilling happily on the bench
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That would be why you trade one of them (Burks).

I really don't think you're following with what's being said here. You're kinda throwing stuff out there that's not being discussed.
 
Again for those saying we should have added talent at the wing position.

That would mean hayward, carroll/green/matthews, hood, burks.

How many teams have 4 wings as good as or better than burks? How many teams pay their 4 wings that much?

It's just kind of unreasonable and unheard of... Unless someone can provide examples.

I mean here we are with a thread discussing whether or not the jazz have THE BEST WINGS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE ALREADY ON THEIR ROSTER, yet some jazz fans are saying "we should have added more wing talent."
Damn, some fans are very hard to please and a bit demanding
 
Howard said:
That would be why you trade one of them (Burks).

I really don't think you're following with what's being said here. You're kinda throwing stuff out there that's not being discussed.
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Ya the jazz are always making great trades every year. It's really simple to just trade guys and get good value back. That's why we make trades so often.

Plus since Burks is young and on a good contract, and hood and hayward look good we would probably prefer to trade the new guy we just signed to an over priced contract anyway.... Though we probably wouldnt be able to trade that player so we would have to trade a player that we would rather keep over a player that isn't producing much and is overpaid.... Which is exactly what is happening with carroll, green, and matthews. (Overpaid and under producing)

Sounds like a great plan lol
 
Howard said:
That would be why you trade one of them (Burks).

I really don't think you're following with what's being said here. You're kinda throwing stuff out there that's not being discussed.
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Yep. Good players on good contracts can be moved if necessary. Further, there was talk of Gordo playing some small-ball 4 and Alec playing the 1 (especially with Exum out). Even with normal injuries, if Hood's play warranted more minutes, a good coach and GM could find him those minutes. The Jazz still need to add talent if they hope to contend in the next few years. With contracts being so short now, it's hard to plan much further into the future.
 
Howard said:
That would be why you trade one of them (Burks).
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Really this is hilarious.
So we acquire one of those big name free agent wings from last year and pay then big time money.
Then they put up numbers worse than Burks.
So we trade the guy who is producing better, is younger, on a better contract, and likes it here in order to keep the older, worse producing, higher paid guy.

Lol
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya the jazz are always making great trades every year. It's really simple to just trade guys and get good value back. That's why we make trades so often.

Plus since Burks is young and on a good contract, and hood and hayward look good we would probably prefer to trade the new guy we just signed to an over priced contract anyway.... Though we probably wouldnt be able to trade that player so we would have to trade a player that we would rather keep over a player that isn't producing much and is overpaid.... Which is exactly what is happening with carroll, green, and matthews. (Overpaid and under producing)

Sounds like a great plan lol
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Carroll and Green could both be traded very easily. Neither of their teams would have any interest in doing so unless they were getting an upgrade in return.
 
fishonjazz said:
Really this is hilarious.
So we acquire one of those big name free agent wings from last year and pay then big time money.
Then they put up numbers worse than Burks.
So we trade the guy who is producing better, is younger, on a better contract, and likes it here in order to keep the older, worse producing, higher paid guy.

Lol
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He wasn't talking about any specific player. He was responding to your post about 4 wings at least as good as Burks. Keep up.
 
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