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Name a better wing rotation than Hayward Hood Burks

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Give me some examples of teams that add expensive free agent talent to a position of strength. Do you not get that?

Seriously, give me some examples of teams doing what you are proposing. Even if they simply traded one of their players at that position the very next year like you suggest the jazz would do.

You probably can't. Maybe you are living in fantasy land.
Or you are just dense.

Well the Thunder paid Enes Kanter a **** ton to come off the bench. I wouldn't say it's a position of strength, but the situation applies. So there's one, and I'm too lazy to look up the rest.

You're also ignoring 90% of what I'm saying, so I don't really see the point in continuing this with you. I don't feel like repeating the same things over and over, hoping that some intake will happen on your side.
 
No one is saying that he's a 29 ppg player. Obviously he has ebbed and flowed, but there have 100% been constants, which certainly can't be cast away due to "small sample size":


- he is absolute mayhem in the P&R
- he is a great passer for player of his size and position
- his midrange game is superb
- he has good mechanics and fundamentals across every realm of offense, as well as a good IQ with decision-making
- his defense is sound


These are all things that haven't changed at any point in the season. That's why Carlisle is high on him. That's why Zach Lowe is high on him. That's why every intelligent mind in basketball is high on him. He passes every visual test, and the advanced stats are right there with him.

I never said I wasn't high on him. Please don't insinuate that. I'm just not ready to anoint them the best wing combo in the world.
 
Well the Thunder paid Enes Kanter a **** ton to come off the bench. I wouldn't say it's a position of strength, but the situation applies. So there's one, and I'm too lazy to look up the rest.

You're also ignoring 90% of what I'm saying, so I don't really see the point in continuing this with you. I don't feel like repeating the same things over and over, hoping that some intake will happen on your side.

and that's why the Thunder have a wing rotation of Durant, Roberson, and Waiters. Lol.
 
I never said I wasn't high on him. Please don't insinuate that. I'm just not ready to anoint them the best wing combo in the world.

this discussion emerged because you suggested that we temper our Hood excitement due to small sample size. All I'm saying is that the small sample size really doesn't apply to a lot of the things that he's been doing well basically since he started getting regular NBA rotation minutes.

I guess I'll post the best 5 wing rotations so we can compare (obvs it'd be nice if either of our players became a superstar):

Leonard/Green/Ginobli
Thompson/Iguodala/Barnes
Hayward/Hood/Burks
Durant/Roberson/Waiters
Lebron/Shumpert/JR Smith
 
Fish. Thinking of your 4 good wings question. All I can think of is Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Livingston/Barbosa (not sure which plays PG.)

Obvi not as good as our 3. But you asked for a 4th wing who is pretty good. That's the best I got.
 
Fish. Thinking of your 4 good wings question. All I can think of is Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Livingston/Barbosa (not sure which plays PG.)

Obvi not as good as our 3. But you asked for a 4th wing who is pretty good. That's the best I got.

Barbosa and Shaun both kinda play combo guard, and take turns posting up/feasting on other teams' backups. So I guess Livingston could be appraised as a wing-- and he's probably the best 4th wing in the league.

The way GSW is built is straight unfair though. There's a reason they might get the all-time record for regular season wins.
 
Barbosa and Shaun both kinda play combo guard, and take turns posting up/feasting on other teams' backups. So I guess Livingston could be appraised as a wing-- and he's probably the best 4th wing in the league.

The way GSW is built is straight unfair though. There's a reason they might get the all-time record for regular season wins.
Watching GS play they just seem different. Enjoy it. Probably the best team you will see in decades. Really hope they get the record.
 
Honestly Fish, any wing rotation that contains LeBron, Durant, or Leonard is better than what we have.
Agreed.
We should get one of those guys
 
Burks is alright as a 6th man. Not sure you need both Trey and Alec. Jazz could use a bigger physical, athletic defensive wing -- even better if he can shoot.

Trey gets it done much, much better as sixth man. His value is (finally) higher than Burks. I want to see him stick around and be signed to a steal of a contract. He will improve still.
 
Well the Thunder paid Enes Kanter a **** ton to come off the bench. I wouldn't say it's a position of strength, but the situation applies. So there's one, and I'm too lazy to look up the rest.

You're also ignoring 90% of what I'm saying, so I don't really see the point in continuing this with you. I don't feel like repeating the same things over and over, hoping that some intake will happen on your side.
State clearly what you think the jazz should have done with the wing position last summer.

The way I understand you, you think they should have added a free agent. (Matthews seums to be the one you favor)

So the jazz pay matthews a **** load of money. He shoots horribly, doesn't get assists, rebounds poorly, doesn't get to the line but we assume he plays good defense.

Him, hood, and hayward share the minutes.

The jazz trade burks (the younger, cheaper, statistically better player) for pg help.
Is that about right?

I actuality sincerely think that looks good on paper since matthews might be the better fit. Still a HUGE risk though that matthews is the better player short term and a really really big risk that he is better long term. Plus his contact really changed our financial flexibility going forward.

And again teams just don't pick up expensive 4th wings very often when I already have three that they like and are good, young, and on good contracts.

Your example of the thunder is a good one.
Do you think what they did (adding kanter for lots of money) was smart? Do you think it will work out going forward?

They have a huge logjam at the big position now. Why haven't they simply traded one of the bigs for a good player at another, weaker position?
 
Fish. Thinking of your 4 good wings question. All I can think of is Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Livingston/Barbosa (not sure which plays PG.)

Obvi not as good as our 3. But you asked for a 4th wing who is pretty good. That's the best I got.

Well done.
Though I consider Livingston and barbosa more point guards than wings.... More so than Burks hood or hayward anyway.

That is a good example though.
I guess they are the best team in the league, and maybe of all time for a reason.
We should simply do what they did
 
Hayward, Hood, Burks, + a solid wing defender (PJ Tucker?) would be awesome
I agree.
I think we thought we had that with millsap. And now with johnson.
 
I agree.
I think we thought we had that with millsap. And now with johnson.

We did have it with Millsap. I was probably the biggest Millsap supporter of anybody for his value on D. He really, really dropped off this season. Johnson is ok but I think the value is to be able to put them on a star and make them work. I don't think Johnson really provides that does he?
 
We did have it with Millsap. I was probably the biggest Millsap supporter of anybody for his value on D. He really, really dropped off this season. Johnson is ok but I think the value is to be able to put them on a star and make them work. I don't think Johnson really provides that does he?
Not as well as millsap
 
Really this is hilarious.
So we acquire one of those big name free agent wings from last year and pay then big time money.
Then they put up numbers worse than Burks.
So we trade the guy who is producing better, is younger, on a better contract, and likes it here in order to keep the older, worse producing, higher paid guy.

Lol

If Exum doesn't work out how do we get a pg? Trade away Burks?

Because of the ballooning cap even what looked like dumb deals last summer will have value next summer. I'm sure DL tried to bring in talent and just couldn't get the guys he wanted. I think it is moronic that some posters on here think that DL avoided adding talent as a strategy.
 
If Exum doesn't work out how do we get a pg? Trade away Burks?

Because of the ballooning cap even what looked like dumb deals last summer will have value next summer. I'm sure DL tried to bring in talent and just couldn't get the guys he wanted. I think it is moronic that some posters on here think that DL avoided adding talent as a strategy.
He probably tried to add talent. But I think he was happy rolling with Burks hood hayward millsap ingles and johnson at the wings.

In fact he did add talent didn't he? We didn't have neto or lyles on the team last year iirc and they are both contributing mightily to our success this year.

DL is doing a great job by my estimation.

We don't have so many injuries and we would be fighting for home court advantage in the playoffs and maybe get to the second round.... With one of the youngest teams in the league and financial flexibility next year.

I'm buying what DL is selling
 
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