Donald Trump

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Socialized medicine in the US will come at a cost. Much of that cost will be bore by countries that their defense is subsidized by the US. We will still protect the commons(shipping lanes etc) but most countries and peoples will be left to defend themselves. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

[babe]

Socialized medicine in the US will come at a cost. Much of that cost will be bore by countries that their defense is subsidized by the US. We will still protect the commons(shipping lanes etc) but most countries and peoples will be left to defend themselves. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

wow. So we can't have our cake, eat it too, and still not get diabetes and heart disease? uhhmmm.... not a good joke. . .


defending the commons is a great concept to justify the US role as world policeman/UN enforcer. . . . we can feel good about US boys defending the British Empire for the Brit Royals over 200 years after we supposedly "won" our independence. . . now we're so stupid we pay for their proxy empire (the UN) and sacrifice our young men in it's defense. I say to hell with "defending the commons" or the commonwealth.

The reason Trump and other corporate folks like single-payer healthcare is that it simplifies their role as employer, and they don't have to compete for employees on the benefits package in that respect. While it is true that there is no way to make a tax stick on the corporates because they will just pass that cost through to the consumer, it is also true that there is no way to stick the corps with the cost of healthcare for the same reasons. . . .

Our oligarchs know this, that's why we're being sold this load of bs. All the silly little idealists who think we're making social progress might get all tingly thinking we have universal health care, but you can bet your bottom dollar the oligarchs get something better than the rest of us, and that the loss of our little peoples' power of the purse will mean we get shortchanged.

 

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[Joe Bagadonuts]

Nope dead serious. I realize that its conventional wisdom that government agencies are inherently inefficient and ineffective, but I've not seen specific evidence to demonstrate this, nor to indicate that where such inefficiencies and ineffectivenesses do exist, they are that much worse than what is often found in large private sector firms. (For example, if you want some idea of how large corporations are riddled with inefficiencies and dysfunction, read up on the auto industry, particularly during the 70s and into the 80s.)

Note, I'm not saying the convention wisdom is not accurate, but I presume if it is accurate, there's evidence to demonstrate this.

Apparently you've never been to the DMV, or to the IRS, or applied for a passport, or pulled a building permit, or filed a case in small claims court, or been to a post office, or visited a VA Hospital, or received a parking ticket, or ...

 

[Deleted member 848]

Apparently you've never been to the DMV, or to the IRS, or applied for a passport, or pulled a building permit, or filed a case in small claims court, or been to a post office, or visited a VA Hospital, or received a parking ticket, or ...

If government run health care would be less efficient, why is America's healthcare the most expensive in the world-- gross, %GDP, and per citizen?

 

[babe]

If government run health care would be less efficient, why is America's healthcare the most expensive in the world-- gross, %GDP, and per citizen?

So why do many Canadians come here for actual health care instead of free pretend healthcare in Canada?

Same reason why US folks are now going on health care cruises where they can avoid Obamacare crap.

 

[Stoked]

If government run health care would be less efficient, why is America's healthcare the most expensive in the world-- gross, %GDP, and per citizen?

Cost =\= efficiency.

 

[The Midnight]

Rubio doing pretty well here on CNN Town Hall... he's a good talker.



Can't tell if he's genuine or not though.. could just be a really good poker player.

 

[The Midnight]

Cruz picking apart Rubio's immigration records... not looking good for Marco.

 

[Gameface]

Cost =\= efficiency.

I think you're right. We pay the most and get the least. Cost certainly doesn't = efficiency, nor does it = efficacy.

I'm still a libertarian. That hasn't ever changed. But seriously, there isn't much of an argument that the United State's medical system has been seriously ****ed up for more than 15 years.

I'm not a practical libertarian. I'm an ideological/philosophical libertarian. To me it's an idea worth giving a chance at some point in some place in human history. The Unites States is not that place. Libertarianism (my version, at least) is in direct contradiction to the U.S. constitution. In order for my version of libertarianism to exist here we'd have to first abolish the Constitution.

Anyway, let's get over our petty ideologies and do the thing that works the best here and now. Single payer medical coverage.

Go Bernie!

 

[fgcamel]

I think you're right. We pay the most and get the least. Cost certainly doesn't = efficiency, nor does it = efficacy.

I'm still a libertarian. That hasn't ever changed. But seriously, there isn't much of an argument that the United State's medical system has been seriously ****ed up for more than 15 years.

I'm not a practical libertarian. I'm an ideological/philosophical libertarian. To me it's an idea worth giving a chance at some point in some place in human history. The Unites States is not that place. Libertarianism (my version, at least) is in direct contradiction to the U.S. constitution. In order for my version of libertarianism to exist here we'd have to first abolish the Constitution.

Anyway, let's get over our petty ideologies and do the thing that works the best here and now. Single payer medical coverage.

Go Bernie!

Can I ask why Americans are so incredibly committed to the constitution? Probably a difficult question. I mean i get that it's the founding document of your country, but it's over 200 years old. I'm not saying ya'll should scrap the whole thing, but why are people so outraged when anyone suggests doing something that might be even slightly 'unconstitutional'?

 

[fishonjazz]

Can I ask why Americans are so incredibly committed to the constitution? Probably a difficult question. I mean i get that it's the founding document of your country, but it's over 200 years old. I'm not saying ya'll should scrap the whole thing, but why are people so outraged when anyone suggests doing something that might be even slightly 'unconstitutional'?

I often wonder this as well.

And I feel the same way about the bible and those who worship it

 

[Miggs]

Can I ask why Americans are so incredibly committed to the constitution? Probably a difficult question. I mean i get that it's the founding document of your country, but it's over 200 years old. I'm not saying ya'll should scrap the whole thing, but why are people so outraged when anyone suggests doing something that might be even slightly 'unconstitutional'?

This, this, this. As if those old dudes with white wigs were Gods. Give me a break. They were so holy they had slaves and ****ed em.

 

[Jamezz]

Can I ask why Americans are so incredibly committed to the constitution? Probably a difficult question. I mean i get that it's the founding document of your country, but it's over 200 years old. I'm not saying ya'll should scrap the whole thing, but why are people so outraged when anyone suggests doing something that might be even slightly 'unconstitutional'?

We aren't committed to the Constitution at all, unfortunately. If we were we wouldn't have been in so many wars overseas and the government wouldn't get so involved in our lives. The Constitution is underrated. Yeah let's use it as toilet paper and see where we end. In fact you know what, let's abolish the whole Constitution and get a taste of what that's like for a few years. Soon it would feel like having lost a leg, something you've always taken for granted but now, it's not there... and you're walking crooked for the rest of your life. You can't run, you can't play hoops...

Washington, Jefferson, Adams, all true visionaries. Thank you for what you had envisioned for this country. Oh, did I mention that the Constitution makes weed legal?
It's the most rebel, revolutionary, anti-establishment, anti-government, (anarchist if I may!) document there has ever been.

 

[Gameface]

I would be terrified to give up the Constitution because I don't trust our current politicians nor the general population to replace it with anything half as good. There's no room for real compromise with most politically active people because so often they view politics as a battle between good and evil. I don't want a Democratic constitution and I don't want a Republican constitution.

But yeah, my idea of the best nation we could be would mean we scrap the Constitution and start over. But my ideas aren't based on and are not really intended for real life.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I'm stunned at the things people are saying. Has the country really changed this much, or is it simply that the extremes are the most vocal? I've always seen America as a great country, and I believe that the constitution is at its foundation. To me it would be an incredible mistake to abandon the American experiment.

I think Sanders is a good man who legitimately believes in the principles he's advancing, but I do not. He would not lead America in the direction that I hope it goes for the sake of my children. I think Clinton is a power hungry narcissist who will say and do anything to attain her dream of the presidency. Under no circumstance would I vote for her.

The only legit candidate for president who I want to cast my vote for is Kasich, and I think it's likely that his candidacy is nearing a close. If Trump's goal was to destroy the Republican Party it's looking more and more like he will succeed.

Maybe a miracle will happen and four candidates will drop out after South Carolina to consolidate the anti-Trump vote. I don't think he wins in a head to head against any of the remaining contenders. Though I would hate to cast my vote for Carson or Cruz, I would do it in order to defeat Trump. Oh, if only my vote or even my opinion counted for so much.

 

[Stoked]

My only problem is that I have zero trust in the people pitching us the cost #s and who will run these things. They want the power and control.

I don't believe we have to do what they are saying, such as Bernies tax #s and ideas, to get there.

 

[Jamezz]

The reason Ron Paul for instance was ignored by the media is because he was too upfront about changing the status quo (end the wars, abolish the Fed...). Too harsh for the establishment, I bet some of his interventions made them shake in their seats.

The ideal scenario would be to get a "presidential" candidate like Hilary run for President (the establishment gets wet over her) yet Constitutionalist/Libertarian at heart. Trick everyone into voting him/her as President and once in the White House make a 180 degree change in direction and bring all the troops back home, abolish the Fed... everything that needs to be done to turn this country back to how it was before 1914. Twisted I know... *evil laugh

The problem with Ron is that he was too innocent for the world we live in. Know your enemy, become one in appearance and then back stab them when you get the chance. Be the two-faced snake that will back stab the people's enemy when the time comes. Catch them with their pants down.


I get lost in such beautiful thoughts sometimes...

 

[♪alt13]

I think you're right. We pay the most and get the least. Cost certainly doesn't = efficiency, nor does it = efficacy.

I'm still a libertarian. That hasn't ever changed. But seriously, there isn't much of an argument that the United State's medical system has been seriously ****ed up for more than 15 years.

I'm not a practical libertarian. I'm an ideological/philosophical libertarian. To me it's an idea worth giving a chance at some point in some place in human history. The Unites States is not that place. Libertarianism (my version, at least) is in direct contradiction to the U.S. constitution. In order for my version of libertarianism to exist here we'd have to first abolish the Constitution.

Anyway, let's get over our petty ideologies and do the thing that works the best here and now. Single payer medical coverage.

Go Bernie!

I'm with the anarchists of 100 years ago who were basically socialists that didn't trust the state to manage socialism. They're the folks that gave us credit unions, trade unions, and cooperatives. Sadly the communists elbowed the anarchists out. Bernie isn't an anarchist but he's as close as we're going to get.

 

[fgcamel]

The reason Ron Paul for instance was ignored by the media is because he was too upfront about changing the status quo (end the wars, abolish the Fed...). Too harsh for the establishment, I bet some of his interventions made them shake in their seats.

The ideal scenario would be to get a "presidential" candidate like Hilary run for President (the establishment gets wet over her) yet Constitutionalist/Libertarian at heart. Trick everyone into voting him/her as President and once in the White House make a 180 degree change in direction and bring all the troops back home, abolish the Fed... everything that needs to be done to turn this country back to how it was before 1914. Twisted I know... *evil laugh

The problem with Ron is that he was too innocent for the world we live in. Know your enemy, become one in appearance and then back stab them when you get the chance. Be the two-faced snake that will back stab the people's enemy when the time comes. Catch them with their pants down.


I get lost in such beautiful thoughts sometimes...

This is what I feel Trump is doing with the Republican nomination. Just say whatever it takes to get the nomination, and then use that platform to run the actual campaign he wants to.