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dalamon said:
“How did I get elected?” Kasich said. “I didn’t have anybody for me. We just got an army of people, and many women who left their kitchens to go out and to go door to door to put up yard signs for me.”
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Howard said:
Well they did...
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I get that humour like this is to be expected in a sports-forum-- but there is tons and tons wrong with a politician and governor saying something like this. I'd extend that to any person, really-- but I know it'll ruffle some of y'alls feathers.

It's incredibly indicative of him, quite frankly.
 
dalamon said:
I get that humour like this is to be expected in a sports-forum-- but there is tons and tons wrong with a politician and governor saying something like this. I'd extend that to any person, really-- but I know it'll ruffle some of y'alls feathers.

It's incredibly indicative of him, quite frankly.
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1) let's use the whole quote. It's 2016, you can google and find it, if you don't want to be biased that is.

"How did I get elected? " Kasich says, referring to one his early campaigns. "Nobody was -- I didn’t have anyone for me. We just got an army of people -- and many women who left their kitchens to go out and go door to door and to put yard signs up for me all the way back when you know when things were different. Now you call homes and everybody is out working, but at that time, early days it was really an army of the women that really helped me to get elected."

Certainly doesn't sound as bad, does it? Yay media! They really do a great job of things, no bias there at all.

2) Using this to make a candidate look bad is as dumb as using Bernie Sanders rape article from the 70's. I'm sure if he was a republican you'd be all over that though.
 
dalamon said:
I get that humour like this is to be expected in a sports-forum-- but there is tons and tons wrong with a politician and governor saying something like this. I'd extend that to any person, really-- but I know it'll ruffle some of y'alls feathers.

It's incredibly indicative of him, quite frankly.
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I think that is reading way to much into one quote.

In America, right or wrong, many women do stay home. He didn't say that is where women belong or should be. But that is where many of them are. I am sure that are a ton of reasons why a woman is at home instead of in the workforce. Some good and some bad.

I think judging anything off that quote is intentionally looking for something to be annoyed with. Perhaps he does hold wrongful opinions of women. But you cannot tell from that quote.
 
Howard said:
1) let's use the whole quote. It's 2016, you can google and find it, if you don't want to be biased that is.

"How did I get elected? " Kasich says, referring to one his early campaigns. "Nobody was -- I didn’t have anyone for me. We just got an army of people -- and many women who left their kitchens to go out and go door to door and to put yard signs up for me all the way back when you know when things were different. Now you call homes and everybody is out working, but at that time, early days it was really an army of the women that really helped me to get elected."

Certainly doesn't sound as bad, does it? Yay media! They really do a great job of things, no bias there at all.

2) Using this to make a candidate look bad is as dumb as using Bernie Sanders rape article from the 70's. I'm sure if he was a republican you'd be all over that though.
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If that's the case, that's a really really sloppy way of describing his 70s campaign. I get that for the sake of parsimony he maybe just mentioned the kitchen line, but you simply have to be a better communicator.

Saying something like "I probably won my campaign thanks to the tons of female volunteers who, unfortunately, tended to live much more sedentary lifestyles back then-- meaning they were able to pour in more volunteer hours than the women of today can."

Statements like that also carries the stigma of how motherhood isn't really a "job" that demands the amount of work and time that it does.

Long story short, Kasich is a governor, and he should be a lot more careful throwing words like that around. If he wants to become president of the US, lazy slip-ups like this simply can't happen. Especially when you're going up against the Putins of the world. Just my opinion.
 
dalamon said:
If that's the case, that's a really really sloppy way of describing his 70s campaign. I get that for the sake of parsimony he maybe just mentioned the kitchen line, but you simply have to be a better communicator.

Saying something like "I probably won my campaign thanks to the tons of female volunteers who, unfortunately, tended to live much more sedentary lifestyles back then-- meaning they were able to pour in more volunteer hours than the women of today can."

Statements like that also carries the stigma of how motherhood isn't really a "job" that demands the amount of work and time that it does.

Long story short, Kasich is a governor, and he should be a lot more careful throwing words like that around. If he wants to become president of the US, lazy slip-ups like this simply can't happen. Especially when you're going up against the Putins of the world. Just my opinion.
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Words like what? "Women" and "home"?

I'm sorry but this is laughable to me.

This is more of a problem with media and political gotcha games than anything else. If we want is opinions of women lets get a discussion and not a single quote.
 
Unfortunately had to stay home?!

Lmao.

I can't tell you how many women, primarily mothers, I've met that would love to be stay at home moms. That constantly tell my wife how jealous they are of her. Not because they don't want to work, but bc they want to spend more time with their kids. I think to blindly state "unfortunately" like that is just as ignorant and offensive as saying that women should spend their time in the kitchen.
 
Stoked said:
Words like what? "Women" and "home"?

I'm sorry but this is laughable to me.

This is more of a problem with media and political gotcha games than anything else. If we want is opinions of women lets get a discussion and not a single quote.
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You're just out of touch with nearly every contemporary mind who studies women and gender for a living.

I do think focusing on one quote is too much-- but it fits all too perfectly with his then announced stance on Planned Parenthood.
 
Howard said:
Unfortunately had to stay home?!

Lmao.

I can't tell you how many women, primarily mothers, I've met that would love to be stay at home moms. That constantly tell my wife how jealous they are of her. Not because they don't want to work, but bc they want to spend more time with their kids. I think to blindly state "unfortunately" like that is just as ignorant and offensive as saying that women should spend their time in the kitchen.
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And it's lovely that they feel that way, because hopefully society progresses to the point where women can CHOOSE these things 100% of the time and feel no shame or pressure to do otherwise.

For the entirety of civilization, this has never been a choice for women. That's the whole ****ing point of feminism. It's so that they can choose to fit their constructed gender role as mother-- or they can say "**** that", and become president, or CEO, or scientific researcher, or surgeon.
 
the reason that it's unfortunate is because there were millions of women who wanted nothing to do with being a stay-at-home mom, however the norms of society incapacitated them, and they were never able to pursue their dreams.
 
dalamon said:
And it's lovely that they feel that way, because hopefully society progresses to the point where women can CHOOSE these things 100% of the time and feel no shame or pressure to do otherwise.

For the entirety of civilization, this has never been a choice for women. That's the whole ****ing point of feminism. It's so that they can choose to fit their constructed gender role as mother-- or they can say "**** that", and become president, or CEO, or scientific researcher, or surgeon.
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Perhaps you're missing the point.

By saying they unfortunately had to stay home, you are shaming that decision. A better way would be to say "that never had the choice to do something different."

I wouldn't pick on this, but you did just mention earlier about how you "simply have to be a better communicator".
 
Howard said:
Perhaps you're missing the point.

By saying they unfortunately had to stay home, you are shaming that decision. A better way would be to say "that never had the choice to do something different."

I wouldn't pick on this, but you did just mention earlier about how you "simply have to be a better communicator".
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Nope, you're trying to make a very leaky point that ignores the conventions of English grammar.


When I use the word "had", it means that an element of choice was absent. It was something they were forced to do.

Example: He had to cook dinner everyday.

There is nothing wrong with cooking dinner everyday-- however if you have to do it, with no choice involved, then it brings on the negative connotation.

Let me know if there's other aspects of the English language that I (a dude who learned two other languages before he learned English) can share with you ;)
 
As someone who went to school for the language you're dabbling in, Dalamon, I feel you're coming off as quite the *** and bringing ridiculous arguments into play. Please stop.
 
dalamon said:
Nope, you're trying to make a very leaky point that ignores the conventions of English grammar.


When I use the word "had", it means that an element of choice was absent. It was something they were forced to do.

Example: He had to cook dinner everyday.

There is nothing wrong with cooking dinner everyday-- however if you have to do it, with no choice involved, then it brings on the negative connotation.

Let me know if there's other aspects of the English language that I (a dude who learned two other languages before he learned English) can share with you ;)
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Now I know I'm not the scholar you are, but could you let me know where the word "had" is in here? Thanks.

"I probably won my campaign thanks to the tons of female volunteers who, unfortunately, tended to live much more sedentary lifestyles back then-- meaning they were able to pour in more volunteer hours than the women of today can."

That would be your original statement that we're talking about here.
 
dalamon said:
You're just out of touch with nearly every contemporary mind who studies women and gender for a living.

I do think focusing on one quote is too much-- but it fits all too perfectly with his then announced stance on Planned Parenthood.
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Lmfao. How so?

By pointing out that many women are at home for various reasons? That is not an out of touch stance. It is a factually right or wrong stance. Is it true or not?

Or perhaps you meant that I am out of touch for saying there are many reasons, good and bad, that many women are at home. But then again that would be factually wrong or factually right and not out of touch with women. Are there many reasons or few reasons?

Jesus man, are you intentionally getting worse?
 
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