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BabyPeterzz said:
Cool, please expound.
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Federal employment for almost 15 years. I could go on for days. Employees are nearly unfireable (even with open refusal to perform assigned tasks), policies are made by people with no front line experience in how they affect people in real time, higher ups are completely inaccessible to the public, inconsistent policies abound (such as ID requirements), anonymous nature of federal employees anywhere but in local offices, dramatic waste of financial resources by people that are simply unreachable and unknown, confusing nature of different departments within an agency (despite overlapping duties), advancement/promotion past anything in a local office is based on who you know more than experience and what you know...
 
♪alt13 said:
Living through 8 years of Bush does not make me want the government to grow and become even more centralized. Srsly it's such a huge flaw in liberal thinking. The government gets bigger and then look who ends up running the damn thing. If Trump somehow wins I think you're going to regret your support for the state.
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Where did I say I think the gov needs to grow and become more centralized? I think you're confused, or just projecting what you want to hear. I think the public's fear and suspicion of government is what makes it so inefficient. While public accountability is important, it makes getting work done so difficult it almost defeats the purpose. My complaint is with those who complain that government is slow and inefficient and then go on to say it can't be trusted. The protections we've put in place to make government fully accountable is what makes it slow.
 
Stoked said:
Federal employment for almost 15 years. I could go on for days. Employees are nearly unfireable (even with open refusal to perform assigned tasks), policies are made by people with no front line experience in how they affect people in real time, higher ups are completely inaccessible to the public, inconsistent policies abound (such as ID requirements), anonymous nature of federal employees anywhere but in local offices, dramatic waste of financial resources by people that are simply unreachable and unknown, confusing nature of different departments within an agency (despite overlapping duties), advancement/promotion past anything in a local office is based on who you know more than experience and what you know...
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Yeah, I could never and will never work for the feds. In fact, i pity those that do. You should quit.

EDIT: Although, to be fair, I know some very skilled, talented, and hard working federal employees too.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Yeah, I could never and will never work for the feds. In fact, i pity those that do. You should quit.
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That's the spirit. Stop acting like you want a discussion when you respond with trash like this.

Have a good day BP
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Where did I say I think the gov needs to grow and become more centralized? I think you're confused, or just projecting what you want to hear. I think the public's fear and suspicion of government is what makes it so inefficient. While public accountability is important, it makes getting work done so difficult it almost defeats the purpose. My complaint is with those who complain that government is slow and inefficient and then go on to say it can't be trusted. The protections we've put in place to make government fully accountable is what makes it slow.
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What is your position? or do you just like complaining about complainers?
 
♪alt13 said:
What is your position? or do you just like complaining about complainers?
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I love to complain about complainers, it's all I got. I'm a public employee, all I listen to is people complain all day. It's great. The price of public service, I guess.

I think there are a few solutions, but I'm not smart enough to know what must be done to bring about systematic change.

Public-Private partnerships go a long way to fixing a lot of these issues, and this happens all the time. But, again using public money increases costs and slows down the process. So finding private partners who are willing to take on the pain in the *** that the public is is difficult.

Empowering local governments with more funding and resources would go a long way as well. The feds, and State's to some degree, do not have the on-the-ground experience and expertise to fully address issues in a strategic and effective way. Giving them the resources required would get a lot more work done.

It's my day off and I'm talking about work. I'll leave this conversation here.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Relax dude. I have no desire to work with the Feds, I feel your pain. Jesus...


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If you read back a little bit in this thread you will discover that you were the one defending the work of public agencies vs. private entities. I know you don't pay very close attention to the words you type, so go ahead and insult Stoked for bringing information to the discussion that pretty much eradicates your position while trying to suggest that it never was your position. Discussing this with you is nearly as frustrating as trying to use logic when dealing with a government bureaucrat. Oh... wait a sec, I know why that is.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
If you read back a little bit in this thread you will discover that you were the one defending the work of public agencies vs. private entities. I know you don't pay very close attention to the words you type, so go ahead and insult Stoked for bringing information to the discussion that pretty much eradicates your position while trying to suggest that it never was your position. Discussing this with you is nearly as frustrating as trying to use logic when dealing with a government bureaucrat. Oh... wait a sec, I know why that is.
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I'll assume Stoked has more experience than I do with working in the federal sphere and appreciate his experience. If you go read my post again, I edited and added a little more context. I in no way meant to insult him and apologize if I did. This is not an opportunity for you to swing from his nuts to make your ill informed, whiney argument since you still don't know what you're talking about.


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can we please get to happier "logical" discussions? Like, for example, the miraculous economic power of imagination??
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I'll assume Stoked has more experience than I do with working in the federal sphere and appreciate his experience. If you go read my post again, I edited and added a little more context. I in no way meant to insult him and apologize if I did. This is not an opportunity for you to swing from his nuts to make your ill informed, whiney argument since you still don't know what you're talking about.


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That was one of the strangest conversations I've ever had. And LOL at the way you edited your insults toward Stoked and then piled a bunch of insults on me in the same post. Nice work.
 
NAOS said:
can we please get to happier "logical" discussions? Like, for example, the miraculous economic power of imagination??
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Well today could be the day that it is all over. If Donald and Hillary win in big today it's game over.
 
Stoked said:
Well today could be the day that it is all over. If Donald and Hillary win in big today it's game over.
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That will be the media spin. It's not totally true. Hillary has to win big today because many of the states that she holds big advantages happen to vote early. Bernie's advantages kick in late. I think Bernie needs to win 4 states today to stay viable.

Donald would almost do best by winning 60% of the states voting today and having Rubio and Cruz win two each. The longer opposition to Donald remains split the better it is for him going forward.
 
Sirkickyass said:
That will be the media spin. It's not totally true. Hillary has to win big today because many of the states that she holds big advantages happen to vote early. Bernie's advantages kick in late. I think Bernie needs to win 4 states today to stay viable.

Donald would almost do best by winning 60% of the states voting today and having Rubio and Cruz win two each. The longer opposition to Donald remains split the better it is for him going forward.
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It is based off an "if".

Clinton also has the super delegates on her side in an over whelming number from what I have read. See N.H.

I agree that Cruz and Rubio split the anti trump vote. But neither will drop out any time soon IMO.
 
Stoked said:
It is based off an "if".

Clinton also has the super delegates on her side in an over whelming number from what I have read. See N.H.
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Clinton had a huge lead at this time in superdelegates in the 2008 cycle. They jumped ship when she started losing primaries.

The superdelegate thing is a problem, but the Dems are concerned enough about the appearance of fairness that if Bernie wins a majority of pledged delegates you're going to see a lot of people switch camps.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Clinton had a huge lead at this time in superdelegates in the 2008 cycle. They jumped ship when she started losing primaries.

The superdelegate thing is a problem, but the Dems are concerned enough about the appearance of fairness that if Bernie wins a majority of pledged delegates you're going to see a lot of people switch camps.
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Well I think they both win big today and that mostly settles it. Will be interesting to see.
 
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