Official: Fire Dennis Lindsey thread

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I made the edit to make it more clear. Just signed Burks and drafted Hood. Another 2 didn't make sense.

And that's why we have Lyles and not Booker.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Hood and Gobert put Lindsey as one of the best GM's when it comes to the draft.

He traded Eric Green for Gobert. GENIUS.

He drafted Exum, one of the best defenders at his position at 19 years old. Also, one of the fastest players in the draft and an excellent passer. Drafted Hood in the 20's.

He did take Lyles over Booker.

And he did trade for Burke. That being said, rumors were that Corbin and KOC has some...uh...influence on that pick. Apparently Lindsey wanted to take Gobert at 14 and Dieng at 21. So, knowing how the Miller family works with their shutting car dealerships down and going after the RedZone stores...it wouldn't shock me if they...encouraged certain moves to be made in regards to Burke.

So, out of three picks that were 100% on Lindsay, he hit home runs on 2 and the third is 100% inconclusive right now.

I'm a big fan of Lindsay. It's not just his drafting skills that I like, but also his overall philosophy of running this rebuild. It's not surprising to me that fans lose patience and start calling for heads to roll. I appreciate that ownership is not so reactionary.

All that said I'm curious about your comments regarding shutting down dealerships and going after The RedZone stores. What do you mean by that?

 

[silesian]

And he did trade for Burke. That being said, rumors were that Corbin and KOC has some...uh...influence on that pick.

What is your source?

I know DL gave "credit" to Corbin for influencing the Burke pick. I wonder if that was a Machiavellian statement to insulate himself from what he felt was not a great move.

 

[fishonjazz]

What is your source?

I know DL gave "credit" to Corbin for influencing the Burke pick. I wonder if that was a Machiavellian statement to insulate himself from what he felt was not a great move.

If he felt it was not a good move then why would he have done it?

Btw that move was almost unanimously loved by fans and media so you would think he would have wanted to take all the credit/praise rather than giving it to corbin

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

If he felt it was not a good move then why would he have done it?

Btw that move was almost unanimously loved by fans and media so you would think he would have wanted to take all the credit/praise rather than giving it to corbin

Perfectly said. DL's comments made it obvious that he was not fully on board with this pick. I don't think he made similar statements after making any of his other picks.

 

[b_line]

Perfectly said. DL's comments made it obvious that he was not fully on board with this pick. I don't think he made similar statements after making any of his other picks.

This is the biggest problem I have with Lindsay. It's not really an issue, because I loved the trey pick, but I wish he would have stuck with his draft philosophy and drafted long athletic potential. We would probably have Hood, Exum, Gobert, and Giannis at this point.

Whatever though, I can't blame him because I fully supported the picks he made at the time.

 

[silesian]

If he felt it was not a good move then why would he have done it?

You've probably noticed that decision rights are complex on many sports teams. My view is that DL had to earn full decision rights during a trial period, and in the interim there was a lot of decision by building consensus. It was clearly not a Phil Jackson type situation where he was "the man" on day 1.

Another part is job security. If a new GM sticks his neck out over other stakeholder's strong objections, it puts them at risk of being replaced. So often times you go with the crowd, which hypothetically could have been Corbin and O'Conner. There are lots of other team dynamics where DL could have "technically" been making the call, but went against his better instincts.

The politics here are tricky and we can't just assume that DL makes the call independently in a vacuum.

 

[silesian]

Btw that move was almost unanimously loved by fans and media so you would think he would have wanted to take all the credit/praise rather than giving it to corbin

If DL was trying to win a short-term popularity contest, then he might have been thinking about it the way you suggest.

If he was trying to win a contest that builds a long-term contender, perhaps he was thinking about it differently.

Like him or hate him, DL seems to be a long-tern strategic thinker, don't you think?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

This is the biggest problem I have with Lindsay. It's not really an issue, because I loved the trey pick, but I wish he would have stuck with his draft philosophy and drafted long athletic potential. We would probably have Hood, Exum, Gobert, and Giannis at this point.

Whatever though, I can't blame him because I fully supported the picks he made at the time.

He was essentially an assistant GM at that point. I thought his words made it pretty obvious that he was not able to make the choice he wanted to make. Pretty much everyone loved that pick at the time it was made... except Lindsey.

 

[fishonjazz]

If DL was trying to win a short-term popularity contest, then he might have been thinking about it the way you suggest.

If he was trying to win a contest that builds a long-term contender, perhaps he was thinking about it differently.

Like him or hate him, DL seems to be a long-tern strategic thinker, don't you think?

So wait, what is your point and what do you think happened?

 

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He was essentially an assistant GM at that point. I thought his words made it pretty obvious that he was not able to make the choice he wanted to make. Pretty much everyone loved that pick at the time it was made... except Lindsey.

It's almost like the dude knows what he is doing.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It's almost like the dude knows what he is doing.

The pick pretty much sealed Corbin's fate. And I'll bet DL has a little more power because he was against taking Trey and he was right. In the end, the team is better off. Had Trey come in and have been the answer at PG, 1) the subsequent year's pick would have been lower (more wins with a better PG); 2) we'd likely still have Corbin (more wins and he would have gotten credit for wanting Trey).

 

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The pick pretty much sealed Corbin's fate. And I'll bet DL has a little more power because he was against taking Trey and he was right. In the end, the team is better off. Had Trey come in and have been the answer at PG, 1) the subsequent year's pick would have been lower (more wins with a better PG); 2) we'd likely still have Corbin (more wins and he would have gotten credit for wanting Trey).

We'd also still have Millsap and Jefferson as well.

 

[Stoked]

The pick pretty much sealed Corbin's fate. And I'll bet DL has a little more power because he was against taking Trey and he was right. In the end, the team is better off. Had Trey come in and have been the answer at PG, 1) the subsequent year's pick would have been lower (more wins with a better PG); 2) we'd likely still have Corbin (more wins and he would have gotten credit for wanting Trey).

He was but I didn't like how he pinned it on Corbin. Even if it was Corbin's pull that made them pick Burke. DL is the GM so he needs to own the pick. IMO