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Following 2016 potential draftees

fishonjazz said:
I think he is a total stud and should be picked near the top of the draft. Other people don't think that.

That's really what it comes down too.

No big deal.
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I mean, I have him ranked 9th. It's not like I think he sucks, I just think Kris Dunn is the better prospect.
 
King Cy said:
Uhh no, you have to take age into account. No one is diminishing it, we are just not ignorant to the fact that age matters.
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By the way age doesn't matter.
Efficiency, stats, wins, etc are what they are.

A 23 year old averaging 25 points on great percentages, 7 assists, and 8 rebounds would be better than a 19 year old averaging 10 points, 2 assists, and 3 rebounds imo.

Just being younger doesn't make a guy better.
 
King Cy said:
I mean, I have him ranked 9th. It's not like I think he sucks, I just think Kris Dunn is the better prospect.
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That's cool.
I have said nothing bad about dunn either.

Guessing how guys will do in the nba is just that. Guessing.

Your guesses are just fine with me
 
fishonjazz said:
By the way age doesn't matter.
Efficiency, stats, wins, etc are what they are.

A 23 year Lee old averaging 25 points on great percentages, 7 assists, and 8 rebounds would be better than a 19 year old averaging 10 points, 2 assists, and 3 rebounds imo.

Just being younger doesn't make a guy better.
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Age matters.
 
King Cy said:
Yeah but if you strength is spot-up shooting then you will benefit from better teammates more than you would playing against smaller/less athletic competition where you are forced to create nearly 100% of your team's offense.
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I disagree.
I watched all jimmers games. I think if he played for duke he wouldn't have put up as good of numbers despite having better teammates.

I think sometimes you need more shots to get into a rhythm
 
King Cy said:
His "regression" is nearly the same as Dunn's. The difference is Dunn also creates a ton for his teammates like Hield, which is why I think he is the better player.
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So Shelvin Mack is better than Derrick Favors since he creates more?
 
King Cy said:
Age matters.
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I will take an older and better player over a younger crappier one more often than not.

Sometimes experience and maturity is a good thing imo
 
fishonjazz said:
That's not what I was discussing with you.
How he projects is a dumb argument because it's 100% opinion.

I say you curry, you say jimmer or whoever. It's just speculation, protection, and opinion.

I thought we were discussing whether other college dudes had done what he did.
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This entire thread is about how players project. He's having a great, historic year. I don't care. I care how it projects (which isn't that hard to have an opinion on).

I never mentioned Jimmer. You made the Curry comparison, I told you why that was stupid. Pretty simple.
 
#bern said:
This entire thread is about how players project. He's having a great, historic year. I don't care. I care how it projects (which isn't that hard to have an opinion on).

I never mentioned Jimmer. You made the Curry comparison, I told you why that was stupid. Pretty simple.
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Others had been talking about players with similar (but worse) numbers and what they became in the nba.

Maybe you and I were arguing two different things.
It's all good
 
I just kept hearing people say that his competition wasn't good enough. Or it was too good. Or his teammates weren't good enough. Or they were too good.
This guy had good numbers and sucked in the nba. This guy had good numbers and was good in the nba.

Whatever. I think that he will be very good in the nba. That's all
 
fishonjazz said:
As if you know every player he has went against and how good each of those players are lol.

Besides he can only go against the guys on his schedule.
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I know this has been difficult to comprehend even after I've told you, but I'm just talking about how he projects. And yes, the quality of play impacts whether we know he can do this at the next level. Mock me all you want, but he hasn't been playing against NBA caliber athletes. Don't trust me? Look at Draftexpress, they've talked about it a bunch. It's not just me mane.
 
#bern said:
I know this has been difficult to comprehend even after I've told you, but I'm just talking about how he projects. And yes, the quality of play impacts whether we know he can do this at the next level. Mock me all you want, but he hasn't been playing against NBA caliber athletes. Don't trust me? Look at Draftexpress, they've talked about it a bunch. It's not just me mane.
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But its stupid because plenty of guys didn't play against nba caliber athletes and were great nba players.

It's all just guessing.
Now I know this is hard for you to comprehend but I think he will be a very good nba player. You disagree. See how that works? Can you comprehend that different people can have different opinions?
 
fishonjazz said:
By the way age doesn't matter.
Efficiency, stats, wins, etc are what they are.

A 23 year old averaging 25 points on great percentages, 7 assists, and 8 rebounds would be better than a 19 year old averaging 10 points, 2 assists, and 3 rebounds imo.

Just being younger doesn't make a guy better.
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Fish, this is an example of why arguing with you can get annoying. You use examples that nobody has brought up. Not even close.

A better example would be using a 23 year old who put up the stats you're talking about, and a 20 year old who put up 18/5/5. Now obviously there are many more things that go into this than just stats, but one could assume that in 3 years the 20 year old could put up numbers like the 23 year old, or better. That make sense? Nobody is talking like the example you used, that's a huge extreme.
 
fishonjazz said:
But its stupid because plenty of guys didn't play against nba caliber athletes and were great nba players.

It's all just guessing.
Now I know this is hard for you to comprehend but I think he will be a very good nba player. You disagree. See how that works? Can you comprehend that different people can have different opinions?
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Lol. Dude, I know your opinion is different. Doesn't bother me. I'm just explaining why I'm using a certain criteria and why it matters. I want to see if he can get his shot off against guys like he'll play in the NBA. Look at Staukas, it's the same thing. Anyways, you're not really getting what I'm saying, so I'm not gonna continue.
 
#bern said:
Fish, this is an example of why arguing with you can get annoying. You use examples that nobody has brought up.
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Everytime a new argument is brought up its something that nobody had brought up before that.

I wasn't bringing up competition, conference, what guys from years ago had did.... Until someone else did.
So it's frustrating arguing with those people that brought all those things up.
I just wanted to discuss the fact that he has epic numbers. Then someone had to bring up stuff that I hadn't brought up yet dang it
 
#bern said:
Lol. Dude, I know your opinion is different. Doesn't bother me. I'm just explaining why I'm using a certain criteria and why it matters. I want to see if he can get his shot off against guys like he'll play in the NBA. Look at Staukas, it's the same thing. Anyways, you're not really getting what I'm saying, so I'm not gonna continue.
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Problem is that the criteria can be used in different ways.

I said he plays in a tougher conference against tougher opponents than jimmer, morrison, lillard, curry and so that makes his numbers more impressive.

Then cy says that it makes his numbers less impressive because playing in a tougher conference means that there is more talent on your own team and therefore it's easier to get better numbers.

See it all comes down to opinion in the end.

That's why all I was really arguing (at the beginning) is that his numbers are phenomenal historically.
 
See #Bern if you post that you don't think hield will be good in the nba then I don't even make a comment on that. That's fine.
If you say other dudes put up college numbers like hield and busted, then there is an argument to be made against that thinking. (Dudes have also put up amazing numbers and been good nba players)
If you say he won't be very good because of the competition he has played against then there is an argument to be made against that too. (Lillard, curry, porzingas, etc, etc)

It's all our own opinion.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
A lot seniors have played college bball. I listed several great upperclassmen just in my post off the top of my head. None have done what Hield has done.

1 or 2 a year? Lol. Find me two in the last 20 years.

Like I said, to assume a guy like Dunn or Burke could do it if they stay til senior is to ignore reality.
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Korver shot .670 TS his last two years. He also averaged more rebounds, assists, and steals than Hield in his senior year. Yep, all of those stats. I like Hield, but there is a good chance he's just a one trick pony in the NBA.
 
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