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Would you trade Hayward+assets for John Wall??

Game6Conley

Game6Conley

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I would. I think the Jazz have the ammunition to get it done too.

I remember back to my early Jazzfanz days, before Wall signed his extension, I used to suggest offering him the max.. My plan B was Jeff Teague to a 40-44 million dollar/4 year deal IIRC.. Looking back, those would've been seriously high-impact moves.. franchise changers.. So I figure I'll suggest it again.

He's signed for the next 3 seasons for about 51 mil and turns 26 in September.

Obviously Trey Burke can go. Probably Exum too.
If they keep Dante, maybe they throw in Neto and this years first round pick??or a future pick??

Washington can spin it like they didn't get Durant but they got a damn good consolation prize in Hayward.

The Wizards would be set on the wing if they could get Hayward to stay, next to Beal, Porter and Oubre, It'd actually set them up for another trade, and I think Washington will be looking for a big shakeup this offseason.. They could sorta do a Portland style retooling while getting younger.
 
PG_AB said:
@PeterVecsey1
Prior 2 Wiz playoff elimination L v Pistons, injured John Wall cursed out Wittman & team. Randy promptly suspended...home practice, I'm told

@PeterVecsey1
Clearly, Wittman and Ernie Grunfeld are in severe job jeopardy. Meanwhile, Wall's acute lack of leadership is a searing hot internal topic


Peter Vecsey sucks btw. Used to read the cities papers in the late 2000's and his articles were 95% trash.
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If you're asking 'why would they trade Wall?'
 
Complaints about the offense looking predictable?? Plugging Wall in at PG to push the ball at warp speed would really change the look of things..

Wall and Burks on the break with Hood trailing? He could put up 10 APG next to our wings and bigs easily IMO.
 
Nah bro. Exum is basically John wall.



































I don't actually believe this, but the organization thinks he is really going to be awesome. That and Hayward is probably almost as good as wall is in a general sense. But the idea is good though.


If they could get wall and keep hayward....
 
Very interesting. Wizards are desperate, and they have no draft pick this year....

How about Hayward, Trey B. and a second rounder for Wall. Boston then sends it's lottery pick and another 1st rounder to the Wiz for Hayward. Boston gets what they want, Wizards get a new chance at life, and the Jazz roll the dice.
 
I think Hayward opts out after next season and commands massive money, and he hasn't made any commitment publicly towards wanting to extend with the Jazz.

Need to do due diligence on Wall's mental makeup, though. He's always been a piece of work and a tough personality to have around. He may also not cope well with Salt Lake City life.

Bottom line, I think Wall's the better player and it's worth at least exploring.
 
bigmike said:
I think Hayward opts out after next season and commands massive money, and he hasn't made any commitment publicly towards wanting to extend with the Jazz.

Need to do due diligence on Wall's mental makeup, though. He's always been a piece of work and a tough personality to have around. He may also not cope well with Salt Lake City life.

Bottom line, I think Wall's the better player and it's worth at least exploring.
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This.

I would do it as long as we don't have to give up much more than hayward.

John wall is averaging 20 points, 10 assists, 1.9 steals and 5 rebounds this year. Basically hasn't missed a game in three years. Makes 16, 18, 19 million in the next three years. He is 26 years old. Shoots 42% from the field, 35% from three.

Hayward is averaging 20 points, 5 rebounds, 1.2 steals, and 3.7 assists.
Also never misses games. Also 26 years old. Makes 16 million next year and then probably closer to 30 million per year after that. Shoots 43% from the field, 35% from three.

Similar production and similar age. Both very durable. Hayward going to be paid WAY more money doe

I would probably do the trade but it's a close call.
 
Also, hayward might walk next year and we get nothing in return.
For that reason I don't think Washington would do it.
 
I know the Jazz or Wizards probably wouldn't do it, but I'd trade Hayward and anyone who isn't currently starting for Wall, and then sign Harrison Barnes to a max contract.
 
fishonjazz said:
This.

I would do it as long as we don't have to give up much more than hayward.

John wall is averaging 20 points, 10 assists, 1.9 steals and 5 rebounds this year. Basically hasn't missed a game in three years. Makes 16, 18, 19 million in the next three years. He is 26 years old. Shoots 42% from the field, 35% from three.

Hayward is averaging 20 points, 5 rebounds, 1.2 steals, and 3.7 assists.
Also never misses games. Also 26 years old. Makes 16 million next year and then probably closer to 30 million per year after that. Shoots 43% from the field, 35% from three.

I would probably do the trade but it's a close call.
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If you trade Hayward and assets for Wall you are still at square 1. I'd rather have Hayward and Wall and trade a big player package consisting of our younger players.

Exum/Hood/1st round draft pick for Wall. That's a pretty good package (Wizards get a starting SG who shows a lot of promise and a PG who many believe to have All-Star potential as well a late lotto pick. Meanwhile the Jazz retain a lot of their top players who can help them win in the immediate future). Then actually go out and sign someone like Bazemore who can be a starting 2-guard (or Barnes, point is get a starting caliber wing who can play off the ball).

Wall/Mack
Bazemore/Burks
Hayward/Ingles
Favors/Lyles
Gobert/Withey

Is that a pie in the sky deal that the Jazz would never offer or the Wizards would never entertain?
 
Wizard team would be:

Exum
Beal
Hood
Morris
Gortat

So they need some bigs clearly, good thing they would have 2 lottery picks in a draft full of athletic and huge bigs (oof nevermind Phoenix owns their pick, this makes the trade even more juicy for them then). They would also have a ton of $$$ to pursue free agents. I would go out and sign Dwight Howard. Shooting surrounding Howard with a young talented PG, that could unlock Orlando Magic era Howard.
 
King Cy said:
If you trade Hayward and assets for Wall you are still at square 1. I'd rather have Hayward and Wall and trade a big player package consisting of our younger players.

Exum/Hood/1st round draft pick for Wall. That's a pretty good package (Wizards get a starting SG who shows a lot of promise and a PG who many believe to have All-Star potential as well a late lotto pick. Meanwhile the Jazz retain a lot of their top players who can help them win in the immediate future). Then actually go out and sign someone like Bazemore who can be a starting 2-guard (or Barnes, point is get a starting caliber wing who can play off the ball).

Wall/Mack
Bazemore/Burks
Hayward/Ingles
Favors/Lyles
Gobert/Withey

Is that a pie in the sky deal that the Jazz would never offer or the Wizards would never entertain?
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Also, why in the **** would Wizards want Hayward when he is coming up on free agency? It would make very little sense for them to make that move. If they trade Wall, they going to want young talented players still on rookie deals and draft picks. The Jazz have both of those by the boatload.
 
King Cy said:
If you trade Hayward and assets for Wall you are still at square 1. I'd rather have Hayward and Wall and trade a big player package consisting of our younger players.

Exum/Hood/1st round draft pick for Wall. That's a pretty good package. Then actually go out and sign someone like Bazemore who can be a starting 2-guard.

Wall/Mack
Bazemore/Burks
Hayward/Ingles
Favors/Lyles
Gobert/Withey
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I'm down with what you are offering too but teams that trade a big time star on a good contract usually want a star back in the deal. Now, jazz fans are really high on exum and hood but I'm not sure the rest of the league might not be.

I also think that not trading Hayward is risky. Getting wall may help to convince Gordon to stay... But it might not and he might walk anyway and then we don't have hood or hayward. Even if hayward stays its still a risk that he gets massively over paid. Then you add in the risk that hood might be as good as Hayward in a few years anyway.

Basically I would do either trade. I doubt that washington would do either one though.
 
I would rather have hood, exum (both on reasonable contracts), and a pick than hayward (at about 30 million), burke, and a pick.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm down with what you are offering too but teams that trade a big time star on a good contract usually want a star back in the deal. Now, jazz fans are really high on exum and hood but I'm not sure the rest of the league might not be.

I also think that not trading Hayward is risky. Getting wall may help to convince Gordon to stay... But it might not and he might walk anyway and then we don't have hood or hayward. Even if hayward stays its still a risk that he gets massively over paid. Then you add in the risk that hood might be as good as Hayward in a few years anyway.

Basically I would do either trade. I doubt that washington would do either one though.
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Really?

What star did we get for Dwill?

What star did Denver get for Carmello?

What star did OKC get for Harden?

What star did Minnesota get for Live?

What star did New Orleans get for Paul?

What star did Memphis get for Gadol?

In all cases it was high profile young talent on rookie deals and draft picks.

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fishonjazz said:
I'm down with what you are offering too but teams that trade a big time star on a good contract usually want a star back in the deal. Now, jazz fans are really high on exum and hood but I'm not sure the rest of the league might not be.

I also think that not trading Hayward is risky. Getting wall may help to convince Gordon to stay... But it might not and he might walk anyway and then we don't have hood or hayward. Even if hayward stays its still a risk that he gets massively over paid. Then you add in the risk that hood might be as good as Hayward in a few years anyway.

Basically I would do either trade. I doubt that washington would do either one though.
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The risk in not keeping Hayward is you lose your best player and only marginally upgrade your roster instead of actually going for the chance to be a real contender.

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King Cy said:
The risk in not keeping Hayward is you lose your best player and only marginally upgrade your roster instead of actually going for the chance to be a real contender.

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How would you make the Jazz a real contender by moving forward with Hayward as our best player? I'm curious.
 
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