Anyone else think we should've kept Millsap?
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Miggs
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Draymond is a waaaaay better passer and leader (off the charts intangibles) and a better defender. He also can play many positions depending on the situation while Sap is very limited in being able to do so and lacks that same crazy flexibility on each end of the court. I'd also trust Green much more than Millsap in a big spot.
Stifle Tower
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The problem was that none of the three players: Millsap, Favors and Kanter wanted to come off the bench. And now with Gobert, the same problem would exist.
But the real issue was that Lindsey wanted to rebuild. He wanted lottery picks to get a superstar. And he has netted Burke, Exum and Lyles with those "high" lottery picks. Lindsey screwed the tank. Jazz needed to be worse to get a higher pick. The only way this works out to be better is if Exum becomes a superstar.
Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.
But the real issue was that Lindsey wanted to rebuild. He wanted lottery picks to get a superstar. And he has netted Burke, Exum and Lyles with those "high" lottery picks. Lindsey screwed the tank. Jazz needed to be worse to get a higher pick. The only way this works out to be better is if Exum becomes a superstar.
Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.
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Unless you tank your way to lebron james.
Or if you have some bad injuries to some really talented players and just decide to over-rest them and tank. (isnt that kind of what happened to the spurs when robinson got hurt and they drafted duncan?) Then you get a top 5 pick (duncan, lebron, durant, curry, etc) and your injured and very talented players heal up and come back the next year. Boom. contender.
Those scenarios are rare though. So you are mostly right.
Where is a link or evidence that paul didn't try hard? I hear some Jazz fans use this to justify getting rid of Millsap. It is total nonsense. Paul was playing hurt and NEVER complained about anything when he was playing on the Jazz. I never once read or heard Paul say he wanted to leave. The Jazz made it easy because they didn't offer him another contract.
GVC
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Curry wasn't a top-5 pick, and the only other player on your list who's won a title on his original team is Tim Duncan, whose team didn't really tank to get him (and had the 3rd best odds of receiving the 1st pick -- Boston, the worst team that year, drafted Chauncey Billups 3rd overall and traded him during his rookie season for Kenny Anderson).
Just look at Sacramento, Minnesota, and all those old Clippers teams. You have to add talent wherever you can to compete. Yes, you might get lucky and end up with a generational talent in the draft, but it's not really something you can plan for.
My evidence is watching him play that last season. He gave up a lot on plays and didnt put in his usual effort consistently. Especially on defense he would hustle on offense and pull the Boozer style defense the last half of the season. Seemed clear to me. Just like it was clear Korver refused to take open shots his last season here to preserve his record. But people also wanted him back badly.
Milsap also let it be known that he wasnt happy about Jazz not offering him a contract and then matching Portlands contract to bring him back.
Maybe your memory is a little foggy but Millsap played hurt a lot his last couple of years. The difference was he didn't sit when he should have. The guy was a warrior and was under appreciated by many fans. Jazz fans love to criticize a player when they leave so they feel better sbout him leaving(he was declining, didn't play hard, wanted to leave, choked etc) People say he wanted to leave. I don't remember one quote about him wanting to leave. All he said was he wanted to be a starter, how can anyone hold that against him?
Aa far as him developing in Atlanta, the fact that Millsap continues to improve is why I love the guy. Paul was unleashed in Atlanta, he developed his 3 pt shot when he was in Utah, the coaches just didn't allow him to shoot it as much.
He should have been unhappy about his first contract negotiation. Jazz messed it up like they do a lot when it comes to contracts negotiating.
jimmy eat jazz
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Over the years, I think that Jazz have made a number of bad personnel moves, in particular:
1. Letting Korver go (I never understood why we didn't resign him; he didn't cost all that much)
2. Letting Millsap go (We never figured out how to use him properly, and if we had, he could have played alongside Favors as a stretch 4 or as a 3)
3. Letting Matthews go
I don't regret letting Kanter go.
1. Letting Korver go (I never understood why we didn't resign him; he didn't cost all that much)
2. Letting Millsap go (We never figured out how to use him properly, and if we had, he could have played alongside Favors as a stretch 4 or as a 3)
3. Letting Matthews go
I don't regret letting Kanter go.
b_line
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Thanks for reinforcing my main points. You agree that Millsap declined a bit in his last year (you add injury as a possible reason for his decline). And you agree with my other point that we would not be assured that he would have been unleashed and he may not have developed at the same pace had he stayed in Utah.
So what part is fuzzy to you?
GVC
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Maybe you missed my other post, but...
1. The Spurs didn't have a tanking strategy. David Robinson got hurt, and the Spurs got lucky and moved up two spots in the lottery.
2. Zinger? Really? Also, I don't think anyone thought the Knicks were tanking going into last season. They got hit with a bunch of injuries, and made trades around the deadline to rid themselves of bad players and contracts.
I do not believe a player of Millsaps character in a contract year did not give 110%. This post is typical jazz fan illogic.
DeMarre Carol was the biggest blunder. He did not cost much to resign.