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Should the Jazz persue DeRozan?

dong2ha said:
a guy who can't shoot 3. playing atrocious basketball in playoffs. no thanks. he is not a number one guy


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He definitely is a #1 guy. To be a #1 guy you have to be able to take a large volume of shots and be able score at an efficient rate. DeRozan can do all those things. Even though he has played horribly in the playoffs, he still at least gets points with the way he can get to the FT line. His playoff performance is way too small of a sample size to really pass up on him as a player if he is willing to sign.
 
His %s suck in the playoffs, but he's still averaging 19/5/3 for a team up 2-1 in the 2nd round. It's in the East, but still.

Would I rather have a shooter? Yes. But if he were willing to sign here, I think I'd have a hard time passing that up. A 3 wing lineup of Hayward, DeRozan, and Hood would be sick.

To those saying he's redundant to Burks: it's hard to be redundant to a player who never plays. At this point, Casper would be more redundant to Burks than DeRozan. I like Burks, but his best case scenario is DeRozan basically, and I don't see him reaching that potential anymore.
 
The Raptors are Lowry team. That's why DD isn't the "star" but he is close and has all the tools.
West Coast kid I think he ready to come closer to home.. Some team in the Western Confrence. Raptors getting Norman Powell was a steal last year. I kept saying abnout mid year of his senior season that this guy going be a good pro..

If you want to get over the hump and maybe not only get to playoffs but win a series, then you need to make moves. He can be a number 1 threat on a team no doubt. Has the size,athletic ability to be a real force. In todays NBA he can play multiple positions. You guys want to win a CHIP? Got to go thru GSW for awhile and they have the "Death" lineup you have to match. Could see Favors on the floor with 4 guards in Exum, Hayward, Hood, DD..Thats a nice lineup to counter when GSW goes to the "Death" lineup
 
He would make Hayward more likely to stay, and also act as insurance for the scenario in which Hayward decides to leave.
 
Can't see how things would work out with Favors and Gobert down low. He needs some spacing.
 
Hekate said:
Can't see how things would work out with Favors and Gobert down low. He needs some spacing.
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This.
Exum, Gobert, and favors all can't shoot. Then we add derozan who can't shoot the three.

Pack the paint would be in full affect.
 
I like Derozan as a player, but not as a fit for this team. A starting lineup with Exum, Favors, & Gobert needs the last 2 guys to be good shooters, which Derozan isn't. If he was willing to sign here, you probably have to do it tho as you can always mix & match lineups.

He's 26 years old, tied for 8th in PPG this season, & his signing would send the message to Hayward (& the entire team/other FA's) that were trying to win now. We have money to spend & I'm not sure that we'll attract a better player thru FA at this point in time. That being said, I don't expect him to sign here.
 
Some of you must not watch ball very often. they way of 2 big guys that have to be down low because they have no range-----Going out the door.. Watch how the game is played now...Id like to DD with Utah in the small ball lineup with Favors at center.. As a bball fan first and foremost this lineup would be exciting to watch vs GSW

Exum Curry
Hayward Klay
DD Barnes
Hood Iggy
Favors Green


That be some fun ball

Man that be fun to watch
 
Have any of you thought that maybe it is Gobert and Favors can not play together with the way ball is anymore? Neither can shoot outside. Trey Lyles as I recall has some potential to be a player that can stretch the D with a jumper.... Favors and Gobert just might not be the answer for the Jazz. Actually the more I think about it, I think that might be the number 1 problem for the Jazz.imo
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Have any of you thought that maybe it is Gobert and Favors can not play together with the way ball is anymore?
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Yes. This topic has been discussed many many times.
 
If Derozan agrees to play considerably smarter and less selfish than what he's doing in the playoffs, sure why not.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yes. This topic has been discussed many many times.
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Yeah, and I think they can coexist (and be the foundation for the best defense in the league) if we have the right shooters around them; so I understand the hesitancy to sign a non-shooter like Derozan, but we flat out need more talent. Even DL admits he overvalued chemistry.
 
What the Jazz need, IMO, in order of importance:

1. Talent (ideally a legit star whom we can build an offense around, obvi)
2. Outside shooting
3. A defensive stopper on the wing

If we can't accomplish #1 on that list, then the next best thing we can do is get another player of Hayward's offensive aptitude and hope that the two of them together can suffice (in combination with elite team defense). Hood might be able to get to that point. If not, DeRozan is a viable option. There's no guarantee that it would be enough to create an offense good enough to win it all, but I'm not sure what else we're supposed to do if we can't land an actual star.
 
As for the notion that teams aren't/cant play 2 bigs together (like the jazz) in the nba anymore.... lets look at the teams remaining.

Cavs start two 6 foot 10 guys. One of them is a great shooter and the other is horrible. (thompson and love)
Raptors start a 7 footer and a 6 foot 10 guy. Ones a shooter and one isn't. (patterson and valancunas)
A healthy miami team would start a 6 foot 11 guy and a 7 footer. (bosh and whiteside)
OKC starts a 6 foot 10 guy and a 7 footer. (adams and ibaka)
portland starts a 6 foot 9 guys and a 6 foot 11 guy. (aminu and plumlee) (their depth chart actually lists noah vonleh at the 4 instead of aminu)
Spurs start a 7 footer and a 6 foot 11 guy (aldridge and duncan)
Even the anti big man warriors start a 7 footer and one of the biggest 6 foot 7 guys in the league. (bogut and green)

So right now in the playoffs we have 8 guys at 6 foot 11 or taller (counting if bosh were healthy though) and 4 guys that are 6 foot 10. Only 2 bigs under 6 foot 10. Out of a total possible of 14 bigs.
Lots of big guys. 8 of them are not three point threats. (and ibaka who im counting as a three point threat shot .326 from three in the regular season this year)
Patterson, love, green and bosh are all legit three point threats. Ibaka kinda is.

Favors needs to be able to step out a bit more and be a more consistant outside shooter. That would help a lot. And having a point guard who scares teams from three. Hopefully exum becomes a good three point shooter.
 
fishonjazz said:
As for the notion that teams aren't/cant play 2 bigs together (like the jazz) in the nba anymore.... lets look at the teams remaining.

Cavs start two 6 foot 10 guys. One of them is a great shooter and the other is horrible. (thompson and love)
Raptors start a 7 footer and a 6 foot 10 guy. Ones a shooter and one isn't. (patterson and valancunas)
A healthy miami team would start a 6 foot 11 guy and a 7 footer. (bosh and whiteside)
OKC starts a 6 foot 10 guy and a 7 footer. (adams and ibaka)
portland starts a 6 foot 9 guys and a 6 foot 11 guy. (aminu and plumlee) (their depth chart actually lists noah vonleh at the 4 instead of aminu)
Spurs start a 7 footer and a 6 foot 11 guy (aldridge and duncan)
Even the anti big man warriors start a 7 footer and one of the biggest 6 foot 7 guys in the league. (bogut and green)

So right now in the playoffs we have 8 guys at 6 foot 11 or taller (counting if bosh were healthy though) and 4 guys that are 6 foot 10. Only 2 bigs under 6 foot 10. Out of a total possible of 14 bigs.
Lots of big guys. 8 of them are not three point threats. (and ibaka who im counting as a three point threat shot .326 from three in the regular season this year)
Patterson, love, green and bosh are all legit three point threats. Ibaka kinda is.

Favors needs to be able to step out a bit more and be a more consistant outside shooter. That would help a lot. And having a point guard who scares teams from three. Hopefully exum becomes a good three point shooter.
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Great post. Let us trade favors and picks for cousins. Imagine this roster

Exum, mack, neto
Derozen, burks
HaywArd, hood, ingles
Cousins, lyles
Gobert, withey, thon maker
 
fishonjazz said:
As for the notion that teams aren't/cant play 2 bigs together (like the jazz) in the nba anymore.... lets look at the teams remaining.

Cavs start two 6 foot 10 guys. One of them is a great shooter and the other is horrible. (thompson and love)
Raptors start a 7 footer and a 6 foot 10 guy. Ones a shooter and one isn't. (patterson and valancunas)
A healthy miami team would start a 6 foot 11 guy and a 7 footer. (bosh and whiteside)
OKC starts a 6 foot 10 guy and a 7 footer. (adams and ibaka)
portland starts a 6 foot 9 guys and a 6 foot 11 guy. (aminu and plumlee) (their depth chart actually lists noah vonleh at the 4 instead of aminu)
Spurs start a 7 footer and a 6 foot 11 guy (aldridge and duncan)
Even the anti big man warriors start a 7 footer and one of the biggest 6 foot 7 guys in the league. (bogut and green)

So right now in the playoffs we have 8 guys at 6 foot 11 or taller (counting if bosh were healthy though) and 4 guys that are 6 foot 10. Only 2 bigs under 6 foot 10. Out of a total possible of 14 bigs.
Lots of big guys. 8 of them are not three point threats. (and ibaka who im counting as a three point threat shot .326 from three in the regular season this year)
Patterson, love, green and bosh are all legit three point threats. Ibaka kinda is.

Favors needs to be able to step out a bit more and be a more consistant outside shooter. That would help a lot. And having a point guard who scares teams from three. Hopefully exum becomes a good three point shooter.
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All those teams you mentioned have one of them that is an above average shooter at one of the big positions.
 
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