Never Trump

[fishonjazz]

It's all about control. When it first went to a closed primary it was because they were worried Democrats were voting in their primaries trying to affect the outcomes. I thought it was hilarious because there wasn't enough Democrats in the state at the time to change much.

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Lol. Plus couldn't I just register as a republican in order to vote in a manner that would affect the outcomes? Basically register as a republican but go vote as an undercover democrat!

Lolololololol

 

[JazzGal]

Yes, and that happens a lot. People will register Republican for certain elections and then back to independent right after. My silly little conscience won't let me do that because I have an overdeveloped sense of how things should be. But it is the smart play.

I was trying to remember when they closed the primary so just looked it up. It was in August 2001.

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[franklin]

Hurt to mention? Every single person on this board knows the two party system blows. No one's supporting it.

Not me. More parties would not change the way we are as a people or we would have them. Most people who claim to want another party and claim to be independent are lying to themselves.

You want a valid "constitutionalist" party? What difference is that gonna make? The country will still temper itself.

What most are really pining for is a moderate party in the middle of the crazy republicans and the radical liberals. That's why I strictly vote opposite of the main party in power in Utah. I don't care what your platform is or how much I disagree with you, if you have a D next to your name you get my vote. [MENTION=840]fishonjazz[/MENTION] that's how you make your vote matter in Utah.

The Atlantic wrote a piece awhile back about the rise of the Working Families Party back east. In it, there's some fascinating discussion about the advantages of two-party politics over, say, three or four. If party politics is a problem, then adding more parties isn't necessarily the answer. Every party scene needs to be gamed; sometimes having fewer parties makes the game easier.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/working-families-party/422949/

:thumbsup:

 

[colton]

I just got this in the mail

It says that to vote for a republican candidate you have to register yourself with the republican party. Wtf?
So if I'm just a free thinking, willing to listen to both democratic ideas/candidates and republican ideas/candidates then I'm not able to cast my vote for a republican individual who I like?

That's strange.

That's for the primary. Utah has closed primaries, not that unusual.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I just got this in the mail

It says that to vote for a republican candidate you have to register yourself with the republican party. Wtf?
So if I'm just a free thinking, willing to listen to both democratic ideas/candidates and republican ideas/candidates then I'm not able to cast my vote for a republican individual who I like?

That's strange.

If every state had closed primaries Trump's candidacy probably would have died a quick death. In fact, I doubt he would have run as a Republican. Despite what some people want you to believe he has relied heavily on Democrat and Independent voters crossing over to vote on the Republican ticket.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Why do you think they want it to be members only? I'm curious as have no idea why that would be advantageous.

In a closed primary it's much more likely that the party's base is going to pick their candidate. In 2008 after the McCain secured the nomination Rush Limbaugh was instructing his listeners to cross over to vote for Hillary Clinton in the open democratic primaries in an effort to force them into a contested convention. As a result Hillary got a lot of votes, not from people who wanted her to win the presidency, but from voters who simply hated the Dems and wanted to mess with their process.

 

[fishonjazz]

In a closed primary it's much more likely that the party's base is going to pick their candidate. In 2008 after the McCain secured the nomination Rush Limbaugh was instructing his listeners to cross over to vote for Hillary Clinton in the open democratic primaries in an effort to force them into a contested convention. As a result Hillary got a lot of votes, not from people who wanted her to win the presidency, but from voters who simply hated the Dems and wanted to mess with their process.

Good answer, thanks

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Good answer, thanks

BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if Limbaugh did the same thing again this year. Now that the Republican primary is effectively over he might tell his listeners in states who have not yet voted to vote for Bernie just to create chaos at their convention.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if Limbaugh did the same thing again this year. Now that the Republican primary is effectively over he might tell his listeners in states who have not yet voted to vote for Bernie just to create chaos at their convention.

Turns out he's already done it:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...h-announces-possible-launch-operation-chaos-2
Also, Hillary's recently made comments that she won something like 6 of the last 7 primaries in 2008 and was closer to overtaking Obama than Bernie is to overtaking her, yet she stepped aside at the convention for the good of the party. She said he should follow her example from 8 years ago. I wonder how much her winning streak at the end of the process was due to Limbaugh's strategy, though. Of course she is bragging about the vote total she got, but undoubtedly a portion of those votes were from people who were only messing with her.

The Bernie/Hillary race might be about to tighten up, and not because of voters who will pick either of those candidates in the general election. The strategy could create a real mess for the Dems because unlike Hillary, Bernie isn't a Dem at all. He doesn't care about the "good of the party." He's more like Trump who would love to execute a hostile takeover.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

We've got a backlash against the most intransigent ideological political hack ever to pontificate from the Oval Office, and there's a huge impression that Trump is everything he's not.

So you're referring to Obama? Wow.

So have you sought treatment for your, apparently, serious case of Obama derangement syndrome?

 

[Boris]

So you're referring to Obama? Wow.

So have you sought treatment for your, apparently, serious case of Obama derangement syndrome?

OBDS WOW. Are u serious? The guy is a lunatic Washington insider controlled by corporate interests. You do realize he is a career politician who took more Wall Street and evil money than every president in history including Hillary?

 

[Gameface]

OBDS WOW. Are u serious? The guy is a lunatic Washington insider controlled by corporate interests. You do realize he is a career politician who took more Wall Street and evil money than every president in history including Hillary?

And yet he's been one of the better presidents during my lifetime. Crazy.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

And yet he's been one of the better presidents during my lifetime. Crazy.

He's been particularly great if you love debt. And just wait until the interest rates go up. It's gunna be a real party.

 

[fishonjazz]

He's been particularly great if you love debt. And just wait until the interest rates go up. It's gunna be a real party.

I actually have no debt. Both cars paid off, zero credit card balance, my wife and my own credit scores both around 815. Only debt is my home. And my income is pretty low too.

 

[str8line]

NeverDrumpf here. He has got to be one of the most thin-skinned people in history.

And what is with Sarah Palin getting so much press lately? The Queen of Stupid is back and not nearly as intriguing as she was in her bikini with a rifle.

From Reuters today:

"Underscoring the party's divisions, Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate and a Trump supporter, criticized Ryan for failing to endorse Trump. The conservative populist firebrand said she would work to defeat Ryan in his Aug. 9 primary race against a conservative businessman."

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I actually have no debt. Both cars paid off, zero credit card balance, my wife and my own credit scores both around 815. Only debt is my home. And my income is pretty low too.

I'm in the same boat as you and I've worked hard to be there, but guess what. Your share of the government debt is huge, Bro.

 

[Boris]

He's been particularly great if you love debt. And just wait until the interest rates go up. It's gunna be a real party.

The international interests have been planning this against USA got 30 years. You just wait till the next recession hits and we are screwed. I actually a part of me hopes Donald Trump will win so he can save us.

 

[str8line]

The international interests have been planning this against USA got 30 years. You just wait till the next recession hits and we are screwed. I actually a part of me hopes Donald Trump will win so he can save us.

Nothing can save you.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

NeverDrumpf here. He has got to be one of the most thin-skinned people in history.

Seriously? If he was thin skinned wouldn't he be hiding in the shadows playing puppeteer like most of the other billionaires?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Seriously? If he was thin skinned wouldn't he be hiding in the shadows playing puppeteer like most of the other billionaires?

he's thin-skinned. Go look at his face at every WHCD he's ever been to when ppl rip on him. He's a bish.