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I wonder why Dala never came back to this thread.

Nothing worth responding to.

Saying education can't be afforded to be made cheaper when countries like Germany make it free (without the deleterious consequences that frank mentions) is just claustrophobic American thinking. Par for the course.

Pls proceed and tell me how health care can't be made free either-- when every other developed country on earth has managed to pull it off.
 
What some call "nuanced" others pronounce "dunced".

What we need is another Webster who uncritically collected vocabulary and usages and meanings, and put them in catalog form.

Not some snooty PC language police.

ya, socialism is as old as the hills, it has always failed when some vigorous starving horde came over the hill with clubs and rocks looking for a place to plunder.

The American System, as once envisioned, was designed to prevent noble elitists from having enough power to steal your stuff and hand it over to their liege class.

The reason college tuition is high is because it is subsidized. Whatever you subsidize will get a higher price. Taking stuff from some just means those folks will work less, just do the minimum essential product they need.

Do-gooders have great hopes but they're only looking out front, not at the trail behind. ya know, Bernie will do to America what Hugo Chavez has done to Venezuela.

Don't vote for the Bernies, vote for the Trumps.

Not everyone is a privileged, bigoted white rancher.

Vote for Trump. Give me a ****ing break. You are the epitome of a privileged, horse-blinded white dude (along with that bish Scat who always says my name like that DC track).
 
Not everyone is a privileged, bigoted white rancher.

Vote for Trump. Give me a ****ing break. You are the epitome of a privileged, horse-blinded white dude (along with that bish Scat who always says my name like that DC track).

Ugh
 
Nothing worth responding to.

Saying education can't be afforded to be made cheaper when countries like Germany make it free (without the deleterious consequences that frank mentions) is just claustrophobic American thinking. Par for the course.

Pls proceed and tell me how health care can't be made free either-- when every other developed country on earth has managed to pull it off.

None of those were things discussed in the article that you posted. Try to keep on topic, please.

Could you please tell me how it makes sense for this study to assume that with free education, we won't have more people going to college. I'm a little befuddled by that part, maybe it made sense to you.
 
Not everyone is a privileged, bigoted white rancher.

Vote for Trump. Give me a ****ing break. You are the epitome of a privileged, horse-blinded white dude (along with that bish Scat who always says my name like that DC track).

When will the hate stop?

I think that was a pretty strong, and unnecessary attack on Babe. You're better than that.
 
None of those were things discussed in the article that you posted. Try to keep on topic, please.

Could you please tell me how it makes sense for this study to assume that with free education, we won't have more people going to college. I'm a little befuddled by that part, maybe it made sense to you.

Did you read the article I posted? My post wasn't supposed to reflect the article in verbatim. Instead it addressed the whining you were doing about the trillions in deficit.
 
Y'all are not terribly nuanced. Go Dala!

Keep following me around like some jaded whore, huh. Tell me who you're supporting in the American election & why, so I can laugh in your face.
 
Did you read the article I posted? My post wasn't supposed to reflect the article in verbatim. Instead it addressed the whining you were doing about the trillions in deficit.

If you'd like to show me where I was whining about the trillions of debt, I would love for you to show me. Please Dala, show me where I can find that in this thread. The article you posted was about healthcare, which touched on a part of the original article you posted, but not the original. Forgive me for not completely paying attention to the obvious bias of an article written by advisors of Bernie Sanders campaign.

Now I will ask again, for the 3rd time, and see if maybe this time you can reach far into your brain and pull out an answer. How can I trust the original study that this will save us money when the plan does not account for more people going to college on a free education plan? When it doesn't account for a raise in tuition? If you recall, when the government started giving out loans for college, tuition prices increased dramatically. Now I know, it's free! We don't have to worry about that. But somebody has to pay for the increased amount of teachers that have to come with the increased amount of students, unless if you want to deliberately tank the education system.

Now please tell me why I should trust that study. Thanks. I'd appreciate an actual answer this time, because I'm getting annoyed with the run around.
 
Dala, I love you but the angst isn't very becoming.

Disagree with this characterization

If you'd like to show me where I was whining about the trillions of debt, I would love for you to show me.

Weren't you the one who mentioned how this would cost 10 trillion to finance? The article goes through why that estimate is false. If you weren't, I mixed you up with someone else.

Please Dala, show me where I can find that in this thread. The article you posted was about healthcare, which touched on a part of the original article you posted, but not the original. Forgive me for not completely paying attention to the obvious bias of an article written by advisors of Bernie Sanders campaign.

While you make a point in mentioning the bias that the writer has, bias should be an explanation behind held reasoning-- it shouldn't nullify the reasoning provided. For example, Ben Shapiro isn't garbage because He's biased (from my perspective, mind you)-- rather, his bias explains why so many of his takes are racist dog whistles. I'm not sure if I'm making sense.

Tl;dr is there any takes mentioned by the advisors that seem untrue?

Now I will ask again, for the 3rd time, and see if maybe this time you can reach far into your brain and pull out an answer. How can I trust the original study that this will save us money when the plan does not account for more people going to college on a free education plan? When it doesn't account for a raise in tuition? If you recall, when the government started giving out loans for college, tuition prices increased dramatically. Now I know, it's free! We don't have to worry about that. But somebody has to pay for the increased amount of teachers that have to come with the increased amount of students, unless if you want to deliberately tank the education system.

Two things:

- universities have tuition caps here in Canada. I highly doubt that a government will allow themselves to be robbed of college funding just because some shmuck jacks up his tuition to $100000 a year. A non-issue IMO. The government isn't that stupid
- yes, your point about increase in college attendees is true in that maybe the projections of cost might go up. Something like that is pretty impossible to mock statistically (unless you have an idea) and it would also be of little use due to the fact that an increase of a college-educated labour force would have very interesting impact on the rest of other sectors of society.

A shortcoming? Yes. But we must also consider the changes that occur socioeconomically with free college.

Now please tell me why I should trust that study. Thanks.

If you don't trust the study you can look at other developed countries before and after they funded college completely and look at the changes they themselves experienced. Don't be afraid to look at history outside of the US.

Canada for example is having one of its provinces on the verge of funding education completely for lower soceiicimomic strata. You can take note of that. Germany and the U.K. offer subsidized education (Germany's is completely free IIRC, 82 million people).
 
Maybe the projections of cost might go up? Dude. Quit the bias. They 100%, most definitely, will go up. Lol. Let's say the cost of college per student stays the same, if the number of students goes up, then then over cost goes up! It's an incredibly simple and basic concept. If you can't even admit that, then it isn't worth discussing with you. I now look forward to you calling me a bigoted, white privileged farmer because I disagreed with you.
 
Maybe the projections of cost might go up? Dude. Quit the bias. They 100%, most definitely, will go up. Lol. Let's say the cost of college per student stays the same, if the number of students goes up, then then over cost goes up! It's an incredibly simple and basic concept. If you can't even admit that, then it isn't worth discussing with you. I now look forward to you calling me a bigoted, white privileged farmer because I disagreed with you.

Easy.


The point I made immediately afterwards was made in the context of increased economic burden after the rise in costs for funding college. If I change the wording from maybe to definitely, my point remains.

I'm not sure I've ever been disrespectful towards you. You also ignored the rest of my post ;)
 
Dala, I'm honestly just frustrated because I feel like you've become so close minded towards anything other than your view point. It just seems like this is just arguing viewpoints with no intention of looking at the other viewpoint, and that's just not how I remember you. Maybe I'm wrong, and I know I'm certainly guilty of the same thing at times as well. But I see you calling Babe a bigot with white privileges bc he disagrees with you. That just bums me out, because I feel like that's the same thing as what Joe does. I truly love you man, and think you're incredibly bright and driven, and maybe that's why this bugs me so much. I certainly don't expect you to always agree with me, I just don't like your new attitude.
 
Dala, I'm honestly just frustrated because I feel like you've become so close minded towards anything other than your view point. It just seems like this is just arguing viewpoints with no intention of looking at the other viewpoint, and that's just not how I remember you. Maybe I'm wrong, and I know I'm certainly guilty of the same thing at times as well. But I see you calling Babe a bigot with white privileges bc he disagrees with you. That just bums me out, because I feel like that's the same thing as what Joe does. I truly love you man, and think you're incredibly bright and driven, and maybe that's why this bugs me so much. I certainly don't expect you to always agree with me, I just don't like your new attitude.

I think babe is the first poster I've ever called a bigot, and I wanted to throw that label on him in hopes that he could understand the impression he was leaving with some of the posts he was making.


Look. Our political stances are reflections of our upbringings, plain and simple. This applies to everyone. I don't know what it's like to have a government mismanage my finances, tax me unfairly, and rob me of the ability to actually employ people in the agricultural sector and thereby provide for my community. I'll never get that. My family came to Canada with $50 in their pocket.


As I've gotten older, I've become really conscious about something called opportunity. I think talent and work-ethic are consistent across all social groups and socioeconomic strata-- but the level of preparation and number of opportunities we receive is differential.


And that totally, and absolutely guts me to my core. So much of my ties to my faith is a belief that God created us all as equals under his eyes-- and for us to undo this and put down swaths of people just absolutely kills me.

That's the root of the fire that burns inside me. Primarily, I worry about health. I worry about health because I really feel like one's health is the foundation of the rest of their life-- and when you have kids in Flint or anywhere across the US drinking that stuff you're already slanting the scales against them. And, as I've said, that kills me.


So that's where I'm coming from. Anytime I feel like someone isn't getting s fair shake, I feel indebted to fight with and fight for them.


If I was driving through NYC with you and someone ripped on farmers or rural ppl, best believe I'd let them hear it.

I hope this provides some context for the views I hold. So much of our potential is held back based on being born into social groups or social classes that don't get the same opportunities.

I may sound like a socialist, and I get that-- but my own family has accomplished incredible intergenerational mobility, and it couldn't have happened without Canada's policies that help families like ours.
 
Dala, I'm honestly just frustrated because I feel like you've become so close minded towards anything other than your view point. It just seems like this is just arguing viewpoints with no intention of looking at the other viewpoint, and that's just not how I remember you. Maybe I'm wrong, and I know I'm certainly guilty of the same thing at times as well. But I see you calling Babe a bigot with white privileges bc he disagrees with you. That just bums me out, because I feel like that's the same thing as what Joe does. I truly love you man, and think you're incredibly bright and driven, and maybe that's why this bugs me so much. I certainly don't expect you to always agree with me, I just don't like your new attitude.

You are. Dala's great... and he's gonna be greater. Dreamers and Realists live on different sides of the see-saw. Dalabro is certainly a dreamer, but if you think there's something wrong with him because of that, you're part of the problem. Dal's unique, in that he hasn't sacrificed his footing on the see-saw-o-philosophies, though he has reached, and keeps trying to reach further, to the other side. He tries to pull the world into what he see's as the best possible place for humanity to be.

No one else does this.. I'm not sure anyone else is still capable of it. Everyone on the "realist" side shuts down the thinking and labels the ideas impossible, or ignores that there's a problem in the first place. Everyone else on the dreamer side(myself included) become disenchanted with trying to find a way to inspire people to want society to be in what they perceive as a better place, slowly bringing us further to the middle.

In this regard, we should all be more dalalike.
 
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