What Happened to Katie?

[Ron Mexico]

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Dont question it, just accept that is how babies are made. You learned something today. If males and females are around each other and any part of their body is exposed they will bump each other and then a stork comes and drops off a baby.

 

[Jamezz]

Just for the records my previous post was a joke. A bad one at that, apparently.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Why do you say this?

Because Caitlyn is, or at least appears to be, a bit of a self-absorbed narcissist much more focused on what (then)Bruce and (now) Caitlyn needs/wants to the exclusion of the needs/wants of others, including children.

This is, however, a totally different issue than her trans identity and should not affect how we view trans issues.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Honest question: Have people always been struggling to come to terms with their gender identity or is this a new phenomenon?

Every other aspect of human personality/sexuality has been around for recorded history; why should this be any different?

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Because it's utterly irrelevant whether something happened in the past or not. It's happening now. Or should we discount any new condition or illness because it didn't use to be an issue before?

I mean, what the hell is this PTSD thing, anyway? My grandmother's cousin spent WW2 fighting as a guerrilla in Yugoslavia against the Germans. Captured by them. Interrogated by Gestapo. Fingernails pulled with pliers. Both arms broken. Cigarettes put out on his face. Never told them a thing. Jumped out of a third story window of the building he was held in the night before his execution. Broke the glass with his forehead because his arms were broken. Broke a couple of more things landing. Was taken to a friendly village and tended to, and was inciting peasants to rebellion again within a few months. Blew up train tracks with 2 other comrades at one point, only to chance upon a German guard in the forest while going back. Managed to jump on him and land knees first on the guy's chest so he couldn't scream to let other nearby guards know. Realizing that he had to kill him but couldn't do it with a gun because a gunshot would also alert the Germans. He had some bread in his backpack and a knife to cut it with. Took the bread the knife out and slit the guy's throat. Wiped off the knife and used it to cut bread again like nothing happened. He was a bank teller before the war, by the way. Law student, but kicked out for being a member of the illegal Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Son of a middle-class shop owner. His whole family minus a sister and a couple of cousins killed in the Holocaust. Did he have PTSD after the war? **** no! Happily talked about the struggle and how it was an honour to be a part of it. Showed people the knife when they came over. Compared to him, all these vets struggling with depression are little b*tches, aren't they? Why can't they just be like my great-uncle and his wartime comrades?

This sounds too much like a parody, and would be a good one, but I'm not sure whether you're actually serious.

Just in case, can we please just agree that different people react differently to similar situations and that there is no 'one best way' to respond and, thus, dispense with such silly arguments? That one person responded to a stressful situation in another way is by no means a template for how everyone else should respond. There are I imagine plenty of examples of women who were sexually assaulted and who battled through it with relatively little emotional damage. So then by your logic, every woman who has been sexually assaulted should respond the same way?

PTSD is a well-documented phenomenon. It is a mental affliction. Telling someone to just get over a mental affliction, say PTSD, is akin to telling them to just get over a physical affliction, say cancer.

Ok, it appears that you're not being serious here. You spoofed me. Nice job. Bad me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Dont question it, just accept that is how babies are made. You learned something today. If males and females are around each other and any part of their body is exposed they will bump each other and then a stork comes and drops off a baby.

Lol
Puggy monkey baby. (Or is it puppy monkey baby? I never figured that commercial out)

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Every time one of these sorts of discussions come up we move the line of what's acceptable and what is not. So when do you predict that those on the left will be embracing this cause?
https://www.b4uact.org/

BTW, isn't it comforting how they call themselves "minor attracted people" instead of pedophiles? That former term carries so much negative baggage. These are simply people with a sexual orientation that they didn't choose and they are trying their best to get along in a world that is strongly biased (even bigoted) against them, right? Isn't it a shame that others can't simply accept them for who they are?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Every time one of these sorts of discussions come up we move the line of what's acceptable and what is not. So when do you predict that those on the left will be embracing this cause?
https://www.b4uact.org/

BTW, isn't it comforting how they call themselves "minor attracted people" instead of pedophiles? That former term carries so much negative baggage. These are simply people with a sexual orientation that they didn't choose and they are trying their best to get along in a world that is strongly biased (even bigoted) against them, right? Isn't it a shame that others can't simply accept them for who they are?

Before one can get into the problems with the entirety of this post, let me ask this: What happens to the entirety of the population that makes it okay in our society for them to have sexual relations at 6570 days of life where it would be considered an extreme violation at 6569 days of life?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Before one can get into the problems with the entirety of this post, let me ask this: What happens to the entirety of the population that makes it okay in our society for them to have sexual relations at 6570 days of life where it would be considered an extreme violation at 6569 days of life?

Either way, 17 is 17.

Leap year leprechauns must get so angry when their day is forgotten in calculations.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Before one can get into the problems with the entirety of this post, let me ask this: What happens to the entirety of the population that makes it okay in our society for them to have sexual relations at 6570 days of life where it would be considered an extreme violation at 6569 days of life?

Seriously though, a line has to be drawn somewhere. No matter where it is drawn, someone will argue against it. Why this exact spot? Why?

-- lazy answer I know. I don't feel the drive to dive too deeply here. ^^^^ drive by posting

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Wut he said^

But even if you move the line a day earlier, or a year, or five years, what about people who are attracted to five year olds? That's twelve years earlier. I think we can all agree that there's a pretty big difference between a 17 year old and a 5 year old. I think we can also agree that adults should not be having sexual relations with kindergartners (even if they are attracted to them) or can we? Is it simply an unfortunate chance of nature that those people are afflicted with an attraction that the majority of us revile? Is it the pedophiles who are at fault here, or is those of us who are not accepting of their lifestyle?

 

[Boris]

Just for the records my previous post was a joke. A bad one at that, apparently.

Nah mate I got it. Nothing to worry on bud.

 

[Boris]

Wut he said^

But even if you move the line a day earlier, or a year, or five years, what about people who are attracted to five year olds? That's twelve years earlier. I think we can all agree that there's a pretty big difference between a 17 year old and a 5 year old. I think we can also agree that adults should not be having sexual relations with kindergartners (even if they are attracted to them) or can we? Is it simply an unfortunate chance of nature that those people are afflicted with an attraction that the majority of us revile? Is it the pedophiles who are at fault here, or is those of us who are not accepting of their lifestyle?

They are telling us to accept every lifestyle and to not to judge. We just have to put up w it because we are racists or bigots or commies. That is the message.

 

[Boris]

Wut he said^

But even if you move the line a day earlier, or a year, or five years, what about people who are attracted to five year olds? That's twelve years earlier. I think we can all agree that there's a pretty big difference between a 17 year old and a 5 year old. I think we can also agree that adults should not be having sexual relations with kindergartners (even if they are attracted to them) or can we? Is it simply an unfortunate chance of nature that those people are afflicted with an attraction that the majority of us revile? Is it the pedophiles who are at fault here, or is those of us who are not accepting of their lifestyle?

I am personally appalled at those who want to subject women and young girls to those w penises allowed to roam freely in a closed off environment. These ppl are instigating and therefore supporting child rape. That is probably the most agregious crime there is and they enable it?

 

[sirkickyass]

How did this move into talking about statutory rape and/or pedophilia? I feel like I have missed a pretty fundamental connection.

 

[Boris]

Oh but yeah let me dress up like a woman and hide out in a girls restroom because a few trannys need some "right". There moms can save them right [MENTION=181]Broncster[/MENTION]? I am just fear mongering nothing to be worried for here guys. It is non issue.

 

[Boris]

How did this move into talking about statutory rape and/or pedophilia? I feel like I have missed a pretty fundamental connection.

You missed it because u want what u want not what is good for community. Selfishness.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

So now that we've established that the line for adulthood is very arbitrary in western culture, we can discuss this. I'm fairly certain there is literature out there showing the long lasting negative effects (physiologically and psychologically) of prepubescent sexual activity. Thus, it is deemed inappropriate and illegal in the society in which we live.

Would you be for the prohibition of said thought and expression of those that hold those thoughts (and possibly beliefs)? Should we go full Minority Report here? Are you for state sponsored discrimination of those who hold said thoughts? That's pretty much disallowed by the U.S. Constitution.

 

[Scat]

Shocked that anyone would be rude or attack [MENTION=840]fishonjazz[/MENTION]. He is the nicest guy on the board and the most willing to have a real conversation about issues and will readily admit if he is wrong or ignorant on an issue. He shares his opinions very openly and genuinly is willing to rethink those if provided with new information. If you really want to change peoples mind seems like educating and showing some respect will go a long ways.

That said sometimes I dont always care about changing peoples mind and just like being a dick sometimes so dont quote other stuff from me being a dick since there is plenty of that on here.

It's NAOS. Don't question it, it just is.

 

[NAOS]

It's NAOS. Don't question it, it just is.

are you the pot or the kettle in your story?