Does Kanter show Jazz made mistake in these playoffs ......

[The Blue Elephant]

Blue Elephant: "Everyone on the Jazz is white."

Add the one or two people to the other people who have used the same bad argument in the past (including yourself) you get more than one or two.

 

[MT Steve]

But those other people didn't come here to bash Kanter for his negative +/- from last night like you accused them of, so I'm not really sure what your point is on that one.

 

[silesian]

The first game Kanter is a major minus on the floor (in plus minis at least) everyone goes on here to point out asap. The same people didn't point out the games kanter was a + on the floor during those close SA spur games. When +/- supports your argument you use it. When it doesn't you ignore it. Textbook confirmation bias.

First game? We must be watching different playoffs.


Across the playoffs, OKC is +11 while Kanter is OFF the court. This places him last on the team.
OKC is +1.2 when Kanter is on the court. In his defense, this is better than Foye, Singler and Payne.

Anyone looking at this objectively can see that overall he is hurting the team.

 

[silesian]

The first game Kanter is a major minus on the floor (in plus minis at least) everyone goes on here to point out asap. The same people didn't point out the games kanter was a + on the floor during those close SA spur games. When +/- supports your argument you use it. When it doesn't you ignore it. Textbook confirmation bias.

Dude, he was a total of +1 against the Spurs (total, not per game) in a series that his team won in 6.

What facts do you have to support your argument about his overall playoff performance?

 

[The Blue Elephant]

First game? We must be watching different playoffs.


Across the playoffs, OKC is +11 while Kanter is OFF the court. This places him last on the team.
OKC is +1.2 when Kanter is on the court. In his defense, this is better than Foye, Singler and Payne.

Anyone looking at this objectively can see that overall he is hurting the team.

Since Harden no longer being part of OKC their bench was seen as a major liability. Kanter helped improve this bench greatly. If you expect Kanter and the bench to have the +/- numbers their starters do especially against GSW and Spurs which have amazing benches it isn't fair on Kanter.

 

[fishonjazz]

Since Harden no longer being part of OKC their bench was seen as a major liability. Kanter helped improve this bench greatly. If you expect Kanter and the bench to have the +/- numbers their starters do especially against GSW and Spurs which have amazing benches it isn't fair on Kanter.

Waiters is a bench player for okc too right? Wonder how his plus minus numbers compare to kanter.

 

[silesian]

Kanter helped improve this bench greatly. If you expect Kanter and the bench to have the +/- numbers their starters do especially against GSW and Spurs which have amazing benches it isn't fair on Kanter.

Kanter's "On minus off" is (-9.8), below Waiters (-0.8), Morrow (-2.9), and Collison (-6.3). Slightly better than Foye (-10.9), and Payne has been a trainwreck at -32.5 (I ignored players <50 min).

Small sample size warning, but how can you defend that he "greatly improved the bench" with these types of playoff numbers? He has given them a nice bench post scoring punch, very good rebounding and great offensive rebounding. But the stats are clear that his other liabilities outweigh these benefits.

Also, keep in mind that much of this data is with Kanter playing alongside starters -- including Durant/ Westbrook are on the bench only 9/12 min per game. It is not like he is only playing with sub-standard second string players.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I loved Bull Kanter, but there was no future for the Jazz if he was one of their core players moving forward. OKC better finish this thing out. If they lose Durant/Westbrook this summer or next, they're in for a world of hurt. They'll be the Jazz of 2012/2013.

Thank heavens for Rudy and Rodney. Getting those two where they did in the draft was amazing.

 

[silesian]

The first game Kanter is a major minus on the floor (in plus minis at least) everyone goes on here to point out asap. The same people didn't point out the games kanter was a + on the floor during those close SA spur games. When +/- supports your argument you use it. When it doesn't you ignore it. Textbook confirmation bias.

Your textbook confirmation bias is not allowing you to objectively see OKC performing worse when Kanter is on the floor. The evidence is overwhelming.

OKC overall is positive, not surprising when you consider that OKC has won 71% in the playoffs. So the fact that Kanter is slightly positive tells you very little. What matters is that they are much more positive with him off the floor.

 

[mellow]

Biyombo > Kanter

 

[Stoked]

The first game Kanter is a major minus on the floor (in plus minis at least) everyone goes on here to point out asap. The same people didn't point out the games kanter was a + on the floor during those close SA spur games. When +/- supports your argument you use it. When it doesn't you ignore it. Textbook confirmation bias.

Any facts to support this claim? Or you speaking with no evidence again?

See above plus https://jazzfanz.com/forum.php

Keep pretending this post wasn't trash and simply untrue.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

Kanter's "On minus off" is (-9.8), below Waiters (-0.8), Morrow (-2.9), and Collison (-6.3). Slightly better than Foye (-10.9), and Payne has been a trainwreck at -32.5 (I ignored players <50 min).

Small sample size warning, but how can you defend that he "greatly improved the bench" with these types of playoff numbers? He has given them a nice bench post scoring punch, very good rebounding and great offensive rebounding. But the stats are clear that his other liabilities outweigh these benefits.

Also, keep in mind that much of this data is with Kanter playing alongside starters -- including Durant/ Westbrook are on the bench only 9/12 min per game. It is not like he is only playing with sub-standard second string players.

What are the numbers if you ignore the last two games?

Your textbook confirmation bias is not allowing you to objectively see OKC performing worse when Kanter is on the floor. The evidence is overwhelming.

OKC overall is positive, not surprising when you consider that OKC has won 71% in the playoffs. So the fact that Kanter is slightly positive tells you very little. What matters is that they are much more positive with him off the floor.

You mean when KD and Westbrook are on the floor instead? Randy Foye and Singler isntead.

See above plus https://jazzfanz.com/forum.php

Keep pretending this post wasn't trash and simply untrue.

Don't have to pretend anything :/

 

[silesian]

What are the numbers if you ignore the last two games?

So you want me to include his good games and exclude his bad games. This from the person who accused me of cherry picking data. oh bother

 

[The Blue Elephant]

So you want me to include his good games and exclude his bad games. This from the person who accused me of cherry picking data. oh bother

Nope. I want you to not talk at all as it is easily defeated and very cringe what you say. Obviously you aren't very educated otherwise you would know what cutting out outliers does for statistical analysis especially in small sample sizes.

 

[Douchebag K]

OKC is paying Enes Kanter 18 million dollars to be pretty much irrelevant. He's not a factor either way because Billy Donovan has had the good sense to decide he shouldn't be played much.

 

[silesian]

Nope. I want you to not talk at all as it is easily defeated and very cringe what you say. Obviously you aren't very educated otherwise you would know what cutting out outliers does for statistical analysis especially in small sample sizes.

Your ad hominem attacks are revealing -- a sure fire way to know that someone has no answer to a challenge is when they resort to personal attacks.

Your english is remarkably bad for someone as highly educated as you profess to be -- as evidenced by your unintelligible first sentence.

Your bullying tactics to try to shut me up are pathetic. No one is forcing you to read my posts, but yet here you are, inexplicably reading my posts.

You obviously have a Ph D in statistics, so it will be easy for you to explain your policy for determining outliers in this particular analysis. And then apply that policy to Kanter's good games and explain to us why you have determined these to not be outliers.

In your explanation, please don't use big words, so that us simple folk can understand.

 

[fishonjazz]

Kanter played 8 minutes last night. 1 point, 2 rebounds. 17 million dollars.

 

[aether34]

Kanter played 8 minutes last night. 1 point, 2 rebounds. 17 million dollars.

he was +6 , Adams doesnt play much either in this series, they are using mostly small ball lineup against GS.

OKC's coach is smart, hes using different lineups against different opponents

 

[fishonjazz]

he was +6 , Adams doesnt play much either in this series, they are using mostly small ball lineup against GS.

OKC's coach is smart, hes using different lineups against different opponents

Still.

Kanter played 8 minutes last night. 1 point, 2 rebounds. 17 million dollars.

 

[fishonjazz]

he was +6 , Adams doesnt play much either in this series, they are using mostly small ball lineup against GS.

OKC's coach is smart, hes using different lineups against different opponents

By the way, just so you know...... adams is averaging 29 minutes per game this series, ibaka is averaging 32 minutes per game, kanter is averaging 15 minutes per game. And remember that this series has had quite a few games that were not very close (blowouts) and usually in those types of games the starters sit more and the bench plays more. Also adams has been banged up in this series and even taken out of games due to injury.... yet he is still right at the 30 minute mark and kanter still chillin on the bench.

Oh and with kanter playing so little the thunder look better than ever.
17 million dollars.