Does Kanter show Jazz made mistake in these playoffs ......

[Cappy_Smurf]

But last year when we were trying to trade him didn't teams know that this contract would be a bargain going forward too? Difference was that last year teams may have thought they could re-sign him for cheaper.

So now that he makes max money he is somehow easier to trade and we get more for him than if he wasn't max money?

Gm's must be idiots.
Same guy, same skillset, same weaknesses and nobody wants him when he is cheap but now that he is way over paid teams would line up to give us lots of good stuff to acquire the same dude that no one would give us anything for when he was less expensive.

Sounds dumb as hell when you really look at it.

Not saying you are wrong just commenting on how stupid nba gms can be sometimes.

Kanter got that contract precisely because everyone knew how much the cap was going to jump. Cy is right on this. Kanter's contract is ridiculous now, but once the rest of the league catches up, it won't be that bad. As far as assets go, Kanter would be a more valuable trade chip than Pleis and that crappy pick we got, even on his current contract.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But last year when we were trying to trade him didn't teams know that this contract would be a bargain going forward too? Difference was that last year teams may have thought they could re-sign him for cheaper.

So now that he makes max money he is somehow easier to trade and we get more for him than if he wasn't max money?

Gm's must be idiots.
Same guy, same skillset, same weaknesses and nobody wants him when he is cheap but now that he is way over paid teams would line up to give us lots of good stuff to acquire the same dude that no one would give us anything for when he was less expensive.

Sounds dumb as hell when you really look at it.

Not saying you are wrong just commenting on how stupid nba gms can be sometimes.

Yes I am right.

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[silesian]

OK, lets put it this way - in the summer OKC calls and they are like "Give us our pick back + a second rounder for Kanter at his 17M salary" ... do you do it? I don't...

You mean we get to keep Tibor Pleiß? Awesome.

 

[silesian]

Yes because you can get more than that for Kanter if you trade him again.

Compare the value:
A) 0.4 years on rookie contract and the right to match a 4 year minimax contract

B) 3 years of Kanter at minimax

All 30 GMs would take A over B.

The only argument is that the value of the "asset" (Kanter's performance) has gone up dramatically, dubious at best.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Compare the value:
A) 0.4 years on rookie contract and the right to match a 4 year minimax contract

B) 3 years of Kanter at minimax

All 30 GMs would take A over B.

The only argument is that the value of the "asset" (Kanter's performance) has gone up dramatically, dubious at best.

No I'm right.

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[silesian]

No I'm right.

You've convinced me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You've convinced me.

Factor in the timing of Kanter's demands. Jazz had to scramble to put a deal together and teams used that to their advantage to low ball us.

The dude just finished 3rd in 6th man of the year voting and you're telling me his value hasn't gone up?

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[Coach Ellis]

Factor in the timing of Kanter's demands. Jazz had to scramble to put a deal together and teams used that to their advantage to low ball us.

The dude just finished 3rd in 6th man of the year voting and you're telling me his value hasn't gone up?

No, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as some people want to make it out to be. The dude just logged 6 minutes, 1 point and 2 rebounds in a game that could have clenched the WCF. If the Jazz make the playoffs and can't play Gordon Hayward (despite paying him $17 million per year) I'd be pretty upset and would worry about his actual trade value. And I'd feel the exact same way about Gobert and Favors if the Jazz extend them to big deals in the next two years. There's better ways to get bench production. Right now, Kanter makes 10x what Rudy does and almost twice what Derrick does. I know that the new TV money has contracts all upside down, but I still feel that it was right for Utah to cut bait on that one.

 

[fishonjazz]

6 minutes and 1 point lol

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as some people want to make it out to be. The dude just logged 6 minutes, 1 point and 2 rebounds in a game that could have clenched the WCF. If the Jazz make the playoffs and can't play Gordon Hayward (despite paying him $17 million per year) I'd be pretty upset and would worry about his actual trade value. And I'd feel the exact same way about Gobert and Favors if the Jazz extend them to big deals in the next two years. There's better ways to get bench production. Right now, Kanter makes 10x what Rudy does and almost twice what Derrick does. I know that the new TV money has contracts all upside down, but I still feel that it was right for Utah to cut bait on that one.

He is playing in a bad matchup. You are letting one series dictate an opinion when hr just came off a series where he had a huge impact.

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[homeytennis]

He is playing in a bad matchup. You are letting one series dictate an opinion when hr just came off a series where he had a huge impact.

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He did have 2 rebounds in those six minutes of PT.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

The fact that Kanter played only 6 minutes last night, and has seen scant playing time in the Golden State series (after receiving significant playing time in the San Antonio series)tells us that Kanter IS NOT a star or top tier player, nor is he perceived as one by his coaching staff. He is a good offensive SITUATION player, capable to making a significant contribution in some cases but also capable of being a significant detriment in others. He is most certainly not a MAX player and is not worth what it would have required the Jazz to pay him to retain him, particularly give the opportunity cost to the Jazz as they are trying to build their roster by signing their younger core and adding veteran talent. The Jazz FO did the right thing getting rid of him. We are better off, and he is happier, although how long he remains happy being a bit role player off the bench remains to be seen. I'd expect him to start making rumblings of discontent at some point, and OKC will face a similar dilemma with him as we did. OKC will not be his last stop.

 

[silesian]

Factor in the timing of Kanter's demands. Jazz had to scramble to put a deal together and teams used that to their advantage to low ball us.

The dude just finished 3rd in 6th man of the year voting and you're telling me his value hasn't gone up?

I said you convinced me that you were right.

 

[silesian]

He is playing in a bad matchup. You are letting one series dictate an opinion when hr just came off a series where he had a huge impact.

Overall, he is pretty good for a backup center. Top 5 offensive center (except for passing). Very good defensive rebounder. Elite offensive rebounder. Bottom 5 defensive center. If you are okay with leaving a wide open path to the basket, he is your guy. 1.44 ORPM. -1.81 DRPM. Overall RPM of -0.37. Reminds me a bit of Boozer 2.0.

In the bottom 20% DRPM there are 72 guards, 18 Forwards, and two centers (Kanter & Bargnani).

 

[MT Steve]

He is playing in a bad matchup. You are letting one series dictate an opinion when hr just came off a series where he had a huge impact.

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I don't think judging a player on their playability against the title favorite is unfair at all. I perceive Kanter as a team cog that can kinda get plugged in situationally as the coach deems, but this weakness of his is the difference between that and him being an all-star.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Kanter got that contract precisely because everyone knew how much the cap was going to jump. Cy is right on this. Kanter's contract is ridiculous now, but once the rest of the league catches up, it won't be that bad. As far as assets go, Kanter would be a more valuable trade chip than Pleis and that crappy pick we got, even on his current contract.

Factor in the timing of Kanter's demands. Jazz had to scramble to put a deal together and teams used that to their advantage to low ball us.

The dude just finished 3rd in 6th man of the year voting and you're telling me his value hasn't gone up?

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He is playing in a bad matchup. You are letting one series dictate an opinion when hr just came off a series where he had a huge impact.

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Overall, he is pretty good for a backup center. Top 5 offensive center (except for passing). Very good defensive rebounder. Elite offensive rebounder. Bottom 5 defensive center. If you are okay with leaving a wide open path to the basket, he is your guy. 1.44 ORPM. -1.81 DRPM. Overall RPM of -0.37. Reminds me a bit of Boozer 2.0.

In the bottom 20% DRPM there are 72 guards, 18 Forwards, and two centers (Kanter & Bargnani).

I don't think judging a player on their playability against the title favorite is unfair at all. I perceive Kanter as a team cog that can kinda get plugged in situationally as the coach deems, but this weakness of his is the difference between that and him being an all-star.

Anyone making 17 million a year and gets 6 minutes in a playoff game, that's a rip off of a contract, good matchup or how high the cap is, makes no difference. Do u want a guy making that much that is so limited on one side of the court that he may get less then ten minutes in the most important game of the year? making that much?? Starting to think we made out like bandits in the return the Jazz got for Kanter.

 

[zbone]

Anyone making 17 million a year and gets 6 minutes in a playoff game, that's a rip off of a contract, good matchup or how high the cap is, makes no difference. Do u want a guy making that much that is so limited on one side of the court that he may get less then ten minutes in the most important game of the year? making that much?? Starting to think we made out like bandits in the return the Jazz got for Kanter.

Well so far it seems exactly where Rudy is heading. He is a liability on offence at all times and is rendered pretty much useless on defense against good teams' small ball lineups which is exactly what the Jazz will face in the playoffs.
He also might end up costing same money if not more.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well so far it seems exactly where Rudy is heading. He is a liability on offence at all times and is rendered pretty much useless on defense against good teams' small ball lineups which is exactly what the Jazz will face in the playoffs.
He also might end up costing same money if not more.

As much as I love Rudy and hate this post there is a lot of truth in there.

 

[Coach Ellis]

As much as I love Rudy and hate this post there is a lot of truth in there.

I think you could get away with rotating Gobert and Favors at center, then going with Hayward, Hood, Burks/draft pick and Exum. Even against "small" teams, I think you can still play him because of his defense and rebounding, then go smaller at the 4 and play three wings for stretches. I don't think you can do that with Kanter because of his poor defense. You can also play Gobert/Favors with Lyles in a more traditional lineup (as our future stretch 4). . . can't do that with Kanter and Lyles.

 

[Crawlnstall]

Well so far it seems exactly where Rudy is heading. He is a liability on offence at all times and is rendered pretty much useless on defense against good teams' small ball lineups which is exactly what the Jazz will face in the playoffs.
He also might end up costing same money if not more.

I really REALLY hope that Rudy disproves this statement...Makes me get worried