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I like your post Fish, but you summarize by saying the Bernie attempted to serve in Vietnam but in the text above it says that he applied for conscientious objector status, meaning he was trying to be exempted from the draft. That status was denied, but only after he was too old to be drafted.

I don't see that as a knock on him at all. If he objected to the war, which I'm more than willing to assume he did, then he certainly should have done what he could to not participate in it. I personally hope this country never has a draft ever again.
 
It seems like somewhere along the way character, honor, morals, compassion, etc have become very unimportant in factoring into who leads our country.

Seems like what matters most is who has the most money, is the best liar, has the biggest ego, and who can best slander their opponent and the people of their opponents party.
 
I like your post Fish, but you summarize by saying the Bernie attempted to serve in Vietnam but in the text above it says that he applied for conscientious objector status, meaning he was trying to be exempted from the draft. That status was denied, but only after he was too old to be drafted.

I don't see that as a knock on him at all. If he objected to the war, which I'm more than willing to assume he did, then he certainly should have done what he could to not participate in it. I personally hope this country never has a draft ever again.
Oops my bad, ya I misunderstood. He actually protested the Vietnam war (and the iraq war too)
 
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rMERNoQm5DE

Called Trump winning a landslide in the GENERAL last year. Makes several good points....

What do you consider a landslide? I think it’s commonly defined as 54 maybe 55 percent of the popular vote and at least 350 electoral votes. So Nixon/McGovern and Reagan/Dukakis would qualify, while Obama/McCain falls just short. Anyway, landslides are rare. This year’s election should be fairly close, something like a 52-48 split. No landslide for either Clinton or Trump.
 
It seems like somewhere along the way character, honor, morals, compassion, etc have become very unimportant in factoring into who leads our country.

Seems like what matters most is who has the most money, is the best liar, has the biggest ego, and who can best slander their opponent and the people of their opponents party.

This is what my book is about, in general. And not that I will necessarily finish it..
Remember, I'm not getting into any depth here, just tips of the waves.

The gist is that we typically have two basic types of candidates.

Career politicians
Successful entrepreneurs

I believe most of each grouping, for the most part, are well meaning.

The career politician. They have spent their careers networking. It's what they do. And they have a fantastic network of bright and accomplished people around them to show for it. If they want to get something done, they typically have the juice to do it, on at least some level. But their life has been spent networking from an ivory tower with their lives in a tax-payer bubble. In my opinion they really only know politics and what wealthy citizens within their circle feed them about the private sector (with that person's own agenda). They are robots wired with sound bites and for the most part unknowingly being led by the noses and being made puppets of...
So they can be well meaning, but without having ever dealt with the real issues in a eat-or-be-eaten capitalistic society they're destined to become frustrated with policy change, etc because they're the most ignorant one in the room. Before long they develop a "get mine" mentality stemming from pure frustration.

The entrepreneur comes on the scene with a holier than thou, anti-establishment, mentality hell-bent on "cleaning up" D.C. Of its crooked politicians and numb nuts. They're smart, they're savvy, and they don't need our money. They are doing this, sincerely in their own minds, the RIGHT way.
So they win office. Now they realize all the career entrepreneurialism has left them wise in the way of the world but without the political clout that had been gained by those that had spent a lifetime greasing the skids. The well meaning entrepreneur grows very tired and frustrated of having the ideas for successful change but not the political capital to get things done.
They grow tired and develop a "I'm gon get mine" mentality out of pure frustration.

It takes a special PERSON. A person that is cut from Presidential cloth.
Whether it be a career politician or aomeone from the private sector doesn't matter.

What matters when choosing a President is someone that recognizes and embraces their shortcomings. This person needs to show qualities of never giving up. Ever. Will not give into frustration but continue to seek what's best for America no matter how tired they become.

That person can't be labeled democrat or republican. Not entrepreneur or politician.
They need to carry labels such as a great dad, a devoted husband, a true friend, and an honorable man.

America used to care about those things. Long ago.
Somewhere along the way we've been numbed by a cancerous "live and let live" that's been taken out of context and we need to reenergize as a nation to demand a President be of a character we can be truly proud to call President.

A man who we can allow to mistakes because we trust him. Get the first part right and I will accept the chips as they fall.
 
Don't most politicians have a legal background?

And the idea that we used to care about character and don't anymore? eyeroll People are no more or less virtuous now than they've ever been.

I get the whole tips of waves thing, but that sounds like the tips of waves in the kiddie pool type stuff. Sorry.
 
Don't most politicians have a legal background?

And the idea that we used to care about character and don't anymore? eyeroll People are no more or less virtuous now than they've ever been.

I get the whole tips of waves thing, but that sounds like the tips of waves in the kiddie pool type stuff. Sorry.
Surly you can't be arguing that our two likely candidates for the presidency are virtuous enough. This is not kiddie pool stuff. It may seem simple, but many important things are. There are obviously reasons that the narcissists keep on rising to the top. Figuring out why virtue gets trampled out along the way, and how to prevent this from happening, is important.
 
The inspector general report has me even more ticked off at Hillary than I was before. One of the quotes from the report was Hillary's aide saying she had the private server in order to (attempt to) evade the Freedom of Information Act, which is even more despicable than I had thought. (I previously just assumed it was for her convenience.)

Thinking now of creating the hashtag #NeverTrumpNeverHillary

This common practice. Nothing to see here.


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Surly you can't be arguing that our two likely candidates for the presidency are virtuous enough. This is not kiddie pool stuff. It may seem simple, but many important things are. There are obviously reasons that the narcissists keep on rising to the top. Figuring out why virtue gets trampled out along the way, and how to prevent this from happening, is important.

Surely you can't be arguing that at any point in history politicians were virtuous enough?

Saying that we need people of better character... Writing a book saying that? Groundbreaking, certainly.

And no offense, but how does "Dr, Jones" have any credibility and or professional expertise on the subject, enough so that anyone anywhere outside Jazzfanz would take his work on the subject seriously.

Degree in political science? Held public office? Personal relationship with someone "cut from Presidential cloth?"

Dr. Jones, you got a publisher lined up yet? I mean seriously, I'm sorry you said you were writing a book about this, but forgive me for finding that a bit silly and of seeing the ridiculous amount of arrogance in you thinking you had something to offer on the subject.
 
Surely you can't be arguing that at any point in history politicians were virtuous enough?

Saying that we need people of better character... Writing a book saying that? Groundbreaking, certainly.

And no offense, but how does "Dr, Jones" have any credibility and or professional expertise on the subject, enough so that anyone anywhere outside Jazzfanz would take his work on the subject seriously.

Degree in political science? Held public office? Personal relationship with someone "cut from Presidential cloth?"

Dr. Jones, you got a publisher lined up yet? I mean seriously, I'm sorry you said you were writing a book about this, but forgive me for finding that a bit silly and of seeing the ridiculous amount of arrogance in you thinking you had something to offer on the subject.
Did someone pee in your cheerios this morning?
 
Did someone pee in your cheerios this morning?

If anyone other than Dr. Jones said they were writing a book about how our politicians should be good dads and cut from "presidential cloth" we'd all be having a field day.

Again, I'm sorry for him that he posted what he did, but it's funny.

I get it though, he's exempt from our ridicule because people are convinced that maybe sometime somewhere PKM will be able to do something for them.
 
Lol @ the idea of PKM never getting ripped on.

Dude is respected here because he's smart, cool, and doesn't give a ****. But yeah, people just like him bc he's "rich".

Fwiw, I would never read peeks book. I also don't want/expect anything from him.
 
If anyone other than Dr. Jones said they were writing a book about how our politicians should be good dads and cut from "presidential cloth" we'd all be having a field day.

Again, I'm sorry for him that he posted what he did, but it's funny.

I get it though, he's exempt from our ridicule because people are convinced that maybe sometime somewhere PKM will be able to do something for them.
You are the king of deflection. If someone says they aren't voting for Hillary you claim it's for sexist reasons. If someone doesn't agree with Obama you say they are racially motivated. Apparently you know a lot more than I do about what motivates posters to say the things they do around here.

I agree with Jones that character matters, and it's my opinion that our political system is (mostly inadvertently) selecting against it. I have no problem at all with people, regardless of their backgrounds, trying to help figure out what can be done about it.
 
You are the king of deflection. If someone says they aren't voting for Hillary you claim it's for sexist reasons. If someone doesn't agree with Obama you say they are racially motivated. Apparently you know a lot more than I do about what motivates posters to say the things they do around here.

I agree with Jones that character matters, and it's my opinion that our political system is (mostly inadvertently) selecting against it. I have no problem at all with people, regardless of their backgrounds, trying to help figure out what can be done about it.

This is not how GF comes off to me at all.
 
If anyone other than Dr. Jones said they were writing a book about how our politicians should be good dads and cut from "presidential cloth" we'd all be having a field day.

Again, I'm sorry for him that he posted what he did, but it's funny.

I get it though, he's exempt from our ridicule because people are convinced that maybe sometime somewhere PKM will be able to do something for them.

The internet cracks me up. Well done, Gameface. Even if what Dr. Jones is saying makes sense, which it does, the fact that he is talking about about writing a book about it comes off as Trumpian.
 
A few things..

- I'm writing a book as something to do not for anyone else.
- I assure you, GF, there is much more depth than what you presume.
- I dgaf about the book, at all.
- I have many qualifications but won't boast any further than I already have.
- I have, for many months, read from GF that he generally dislikes me. That's okay. I still like him.
 
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