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This is Wade Baldwin vs. Jamal Murray on several possessions, part of what Locke is reacting to. Notice the lack of effort from Baldwin at 1:07 on the fastbreak. Maybe he's conserving his energy, but still not great. Again at 1:26. Baldwin trailing Murray at 2:45 and again at 3:16. Again, mediocre effort on defense.

Murray doing Lillard things...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MydBsdfpGVw
 
Catchall said:
I think Malachi Richardson goes late lottery or mid-first round based on physical talent alone. That's the part of the draft where you see guys like Zach Lavine, Jeremy Lamb, Kelly Oubre and Giannis Antetokounmpo get taken, despite any doubts. Richardson has to be right there with Luwawu.
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Luwawu is definitely another guy Ford and Givony differ on. Ford has really dropped him in his rankings. Also looks like he must have gotten injured again as he did not play in the last few games of Mega Leks.
 
Catchall said:
This is Wade Baldwin vs. Jamal Murray on several possessions, part of what Locke is reacting to. Notice the lack of effort from Baldwin at 1:07 on the fastbreak. Maybe he's conserving his energy, but still not great. Again at 1:26. Baldwin trailing Murray at 2:45 and again at 3:16. Again, mediocre effort on defense.

Murray doing Lillard things...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MydBsdfpGVw
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Baldwin really wasn't guarding him all that much... He was guarding Ullis in many of those highlights and he had a terrible game... also, Vanderbilt won the game. It was just an odd statement to say he doesn't have "it"... if that is what he said.

I certainly like Murray more than Baldwin, but I might slow down a bit if I was Locke... Baldwin has a lot going for him.
 
NCJazz said:
So you really think Toronto would pick Poetl or Maker and Richardson will be drafted in the second round? Yes i think Givony is one of the best though, but does not mean he is always right.
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I think that might happen if the draft happened today. They kind of deserve respect for his accurate they have been.

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Definitely don't see Malachi falling to the 2nd round even if the draft were today.

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Was just thinking how everyone on the Dubs plays good d. Most of the five starters are very good. So is Iggy off the bench. I think Ezeli is regarded highly defensively too. For our starters this is mostly true. Hood is the weakest link but he can improve and at least be average. Off the bench, Withey is really good but Burks and Lyles stink. Something to think about. Sort of makes me want to consider Davis. A defensive stud who can play the 4 or 5, score and could be insurance for Favors. Do that and maybe sign Bazemore and trade Burks.
 
stitches said:
... Locke might have given up our pick again... :P
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Dejounte is intriguing. He wasn't measured at the combine but Chad Ford got his numbers from the Cleveland workout:

Athletic testing for @DejounteMurray: 30.5" standing vert, 36" 1-step vert, 3.0 sec 3/4 sprint, 10.54 lane agility
Anthropometric data for @DejounteMurray: 6' 5.25" in shoes, 183 lbs, 6' 11.25" wing, 8' 7" reach, 8.5" hand length 9.5" hand width

These are very impressive, particularly the wingspan which is almost 2 inches larger than his 2014. He would be a longer PG than Exum if he could play it in the NBA.
At 183 lbs he is 20 lbs heavier since last time checked as well, so he is filling out.
 
Dejounte would be an interesting choice. Between he and Exum we'd have the best length at the PG position in the whole league, and they could even play together in the back court. Both need to improve their outside shooting though.
 
I have begun to really trust in D-Locke's eye for talent. Burks, Gobert, Hood, and Lyles were all guys he he loved before we drafted them. Perhaps he is just parroting what he hears in the Jazz annals, but still... Well this year's D-Locke flavor of the month appears to be Dejounte Murray. I just peeped Dejounte Murray's twitter and his vines have me intrigued.

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
 
In a way, I feel like it's gonna serve Exum well having another young PG with potential pushing him... I just don't like Murray that much. At least not at 12.
 
Meh. At around 18-22, sure, but Murray's shooting numbers are God awful. His TS% was 48.5% last year. To put it into perspective, the 100th best player in the country had one of 62.7%. It would've been the 338th best TS% in the NBA.


Out of 410 NBA players last year, in TS%, our guys ranked:

61st-Rudy Gobert-58.2%
68th-Jeff Withey-57.7%
79th-Joe Ingles-57.2%
122nd-Gordon Hayward-55.9%
147th-Derrick Favors-55.1%
177th-Rodney Hood-54.2%
210th-Trevor Booker-53.3%
222nd-Raul Neto-53.0%
254th-Alec Burks-52.0%--was supposedly having his best year too. Plus he isn't very good on d. Ew.
264th-Trey Lyles-51.7%
291st-Trey Burke-50.7%--plus he sucks on defense
340th-Chris Johnson-48.2%--not an NBA player, let's be honest
372nd-Shelvin Mack-46.4%

The three guys I highlighted are my biggest concerns. Johnson and Burke can't be on this team next year. Period. Burks should be an asset involved in trades as well imo. I've never felt like he fits right and that he doesn't make good basketball decisions.

Mack blows too but at least he plays some defense. Booker is mediocre but he brings some toughness this team needs. If we can upgarde the three guys I mentioned and maybe Mack too, I'd be thrilled.
 
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Mike Muscala, who was 71st in TS% this year, is an intriguing, cheap option for a 4th big. He can stretch the floor some and play the 4 or 5, depending on the team. I don't love the guy but if we're looking to try to stretch the floor, he's a good get on the super cheap.
 
Also, Lance Stephenson was 86th which would've been higher than any of our starters not named Rudy.
 
Sefolosha was 66th in TS%, can play both ways, should be cheap, shouldn't be highly sought, would be cool with coming off the bench, and would be a huge upgrade over Chris Johnson.

Trade Burks and something else for a 2017 1st. We'd then have three 2017 1sts and two 2018 1sts.

Draft Luwawu/Korky at 12, either one of whom imo, will be upgrades over Burks sooner rather than later.

Sign Muscala.
 
Exum-Neto-Mack
Hood-Sefolosha
Hayward-Luwawu-Ingles
Favors-Lyles
Gobert-Muscala-Withey

If Hayward and Hood improve from 3 (I'm a broken record, I know), this team could be wildly more efficient on offense. And defensively, we'd have added Sefolosha and Luwawu and jettisoned Burks and Johnson, thus improving drastically there.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Exum-Neto-Mack
Hood-Sefolosha
Hayward-Luwawu-Ingles
Favors-Lyles
Gobert-Muscala-Withey

If Hayward and Hood improve from 3 (I'm a broken record, I know), this team could be wildly more efficient on offense. And defensively, we'd have added Sefolosha and Luwawu and jettisoned Burks and Johnson, thus improving drastically there.
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I like all of that.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Meh. At around 18-22, sure, but Murray's shooting numbers are God awful. His TS% was 48.5% last year. To put it into perspective, the 100th best player in the country had one of 62.7%. It would've been the 338th best TS% in the NBA.


Out of 410 NBA players last year, in TS%, our guys ranked:

61st-Rudy Gobert-58.2%
68th-Jeff Withey-57.7%
79th-Joe Ingles-57.2%
122nd-Gordon Hayward-55.9%
147th-Derrick Favors-55.1%
177th-Rodney Hood-54.2%
210th-Trevor Booker-53.3%
222nd-Raul Neto-53.0%
254th-Alec Burks-52.0%--was supposedly having his best year too. Plus he isn't very good on d. Ew.
264th-Trey Lyles-51.7%
291st-Trey Burke-50.7%--plus he sucks on defense
340th-Chris Johnson-48.2%--not an NBA player, let's be honest
372nd-Shelvin Mack-46.4%

The three guys I highlighted are my biggest concerns. Johnson and Burke can't be on this team next year. Period. Burks should be an asset involved in trades as well imo. I've never felt like he fits right and that he doesn't make good basketball decisions.

Mack blows too but at least he plays some defense. Booker is mediocre but he brings some toughness this team needs. If we can upgarde the three guys I mentioned and maybe Mack too, I'd be thrilled.
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this stat right here might be the single biggest reason the Jazz aren't very good. Hood and Hayward at 177 and 122 simply aren't shooting it well enough as the primary wing options on the team. They have to better. Hayward isn't really getting better (this past year was the second worst of his career) in that area and Hood didn't improve much from his rookie year, so there is some definite concern going forward.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Meh. At around 18-22, sure, but Murray's shooting numbers are God awful. His TS% was 48.5% last year. To put it into perspective, the 100th best player in the country had one of 62.7%. It would've been the 338th best TS% in the NBA.


Out of 410 NBA players last year, in TS%, our guys ranked:

61st-Rudy Gobert-58.2%
68th-Jeff Withey-57.7%
79th-Joe Ingles-57.2%
122nd-Gordon Hayward-55.9%
147th-Derrick Favors-55.1%
177th-Rodney Hood-54.2%
210th-Trevor Booker-53.3%
222nd-Raul Neto-53.0%
254th-Alec Burks-52.0%--was supposedly having his best year too. Plus he isn't very good on d. Ew.
264th-Trey Lyles-51.7%
291st-Trey Burke-50.7%--plus he sucks on defense
340th-Chris Johnson-48.2%--not an NBA player, let's be honest
372nd-Shelvin Mack-46.4%

The three guys I highlighted are my biggest concerns. Johnson and Burke can't be on this team next year. Period. Burks should be an asset involved in trades as well imo. I've never felt like he fits right and that he doesn't make good basketball decisions.

Mack blows too but at least he plays some defense. Booker is mediocre but he brings some toughness this team needs. If we can upgarde the three guys I mentioned and maybe Mack too, I'd be thrilled.
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Dejaunte cannot shoot at the moment and obviously that is the bet you take when you draft him. Shooting is a teachable skill though. Hield was a 23% 3PT shooter his freshman year with a .47 TS.
If you haven't watched the Locke video on him you might want to.
 
NBA Comparison: Shaun Livingston/Jamal Crawford

Strengths: Combo guard with tremendous handles and versatility
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More of a scorer than facilitator, and will need to become better in creating offense for other
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Has the potential to be a lock down defender and is already one of the better guard defenders in the Conference in his freshman season …
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This is for Dejaunte Murray

-Very explosive vertically. Can't always show it in the half-court, but has some impressive bounce, which he sometimes unleashes in transition situations
-Has nice fluidity and mobility
-Outstanding shooter. 45% for 3 at the U19s. 42% in the Euroleague/Turkish league this season
-Great natural touch on his jumper. Can throw the ball in the basket from difficult angles
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This for Furkan Korkmaz

With Jazz defense looking like it will be elite as in top 2 in the NBA,then the Jazz can use great scoring and facilitating.Dejaunte Murray a combo guard looks good as a backup to Exum and still also maybe playing with Exum as well as a two headed PG attack.And Furkan Korkmaz ,a natural scorer as well as ball handler can be drafted as insurance if Jazz lose Burks or Hayward in the next two years.
 
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