Following 2016 potential draftees

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

My expectation for Thon Maker is along the lines of Hassan Whiteside--a good defensive player, good motor, limited feel and skills offensively. He might be a bit better than that if he knocks down open looks. His FT percentage is encouraging at 71%. I just don't think he's going to be a guy you can give the ball to and get an important bucket. Whereas, I think Skal is likely to be an effective offensive player. Will see.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Just noticed DX's mock draft. They've dropped Ellenson down to 15 and moved Korkmaz up to 14.

Chad Ford has Ellenson at 7 in his mock.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Dejounte would be an interesting choice. Between he and Exum we'd have the best length at the PG position in the whole league, and they could even play together in the back court. Both need to improve their outside shooting though.

Murray is roughly the same size as Exum just 13 lbs lighter when they came into the league... I think he's a few years away physically. Not sure I want two huge upside projects that both need playing time to develop on the same roster when we are trying to compete for a playoff spot.

 

[green]

Big time. I'd give a solid player and 12 for Murray. Unfortunately, I think Sacto would take him, as they need a 2-guard.

Burks, 12 and GS future first rounder.

 

[RandyForRubio]

My expectation for Thon Maker is along the lines of Hassan Whiteside--a good defensive player, good motor, limited feel and skills offensively. He might be a bit better than that if he knocks down open looks. His FT percentage is encouraging at 71%. I just don't think he's going to be a guy you can give the ball to and get an important bucket. Whereas, I think Skal is likely to be an effective offensive player. Will see.

Lol. Whiteside is a great offensive player. Him and Maker aren't similar at all.

 

[The Midnight]

Chriss is looking like a good pick to me.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Lol. Whiteside is a great offensive player. Him and Maker aren't similar at all.

I don't consider Whiteside great offensively. I don't consider Favors great offensively either, but he's better than Whiteside. In terms of measurables, skills and shortcomings, Maker in 2016 seems very similar to Whiteside in 2010.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I don't consider Whiteside great offensively. I don't consider Favors great offensively either, but he's better than Whiteside. In terms of measurables, skills and shortcomings, Maker in 2016 seems very similar to Whiteside in 2010.

How often have you actually seen Whiteside play? Games, not highlights.

 

[The Midnight]

Wade Baldwin's up to #10 on DX.... not sure I buy that.

 

[BTP]

Your second point is correct. I'm not sure who would have motivation to move back. Best guess is NOP... Just because the GM needs to start winning now.

Again I think it hinges on how teams value AB or our willingness to move either lyles or hood.

Don't think we'll move guys on rookie tracts unless we get a killer return.
Also NOP doesn't have to win now. The only one who needs to win is the coach. Or he needs his team to improve. Or look like they're improving.
Davis contracts ends in 2021. In 2020 they need to get deep in the playoffs. They have time.

I think Malachi Richardson goes late lottery or mid-first round based on physical talent alone. That's the part of the draft where you see guys like Zach Lavine, Jeremy Lamb, Kelly Oubre and Giannis Antetokounmpo get taken, despite any doubts. Richardson has to be right there with Luwawu.

Giannis wasn't a physical tools gamble. He was just too unknown as his competition was shaky and teams weren't really convinced of his upside, as he was juggling running his family and being a street vendor outside of basketball. He just had never spent enough time developing his talent into skills. But you could see his natural talent. Teams weren't willing to take the risk or didn't completely trust their research.
Only GM willing to do whatever to draft him was Danny Ferry. He then fired Larry Drew who took the knowledge to Milwaukee and John Hammond made the decision to take him as the Hawks were unable/unwilling to meet the asking price of the Mavs.

Exum-Neto-Mack
Hood-Sefolosha
Hayward-Luwawu-Ingles
Favors-Lyles
Gobert-Muscala-Withey

If Hayward and Hood improve from 3 (I'm a broken record, I know), this team could be wildly more efficient on offense. And defensively, we'd have added Sefolosha and Luwawu and jettisoned Burks and Johnson, thus improving drastically there.

Where would Burks be in this scenario? Traded for Thabo? I'd never do that.

 

[Miggs]

Don't think we'll move guys on rookie tracts unless we get a killer return.
Also NOP doesn't have to win now. The only one who needs to win is the coach. Or he needs his team to improve. Or look like they're improving.
Davis contracts ends in 2021. In 2020 they need to get deep in the playoffs. They have time.



Giannis wasn't a physical tools gamble. He was just too unknown as his competition was shaky and teams weren't really convinced of his upside, as he was juggling running his family and being a street vendor outside of basketball. He just had never spent enough time developing his talent into skills. But you could see his natural talent. Teams weren't willing to take the risk or didn't completely trust their research.
Only GM willing to do whatever to draft him was Danny Ferry. He then fired Larry Drew who took the knowledge to Milwaukee and John Hammond made the decision to take him as the Hawks were unable/unwilling to meet the asking price of the Mavs.



Where would Burks be in this scenario? Traded for Thabo? I'd never do that.

1) Read my posts. I say where Burks is.
2) Giannis is exactly like those other guys. A ton of raw athleticism and ability but like you said against lesser comp.

 

[BTP]

1) Read my posts. I say where Burks is.
2) Giannis is exactly like those other guys. A ton of raw athleticism and ability but like you said against lesser comp.

1) in the post i quoted it isnt mentioned. im not gonna browse through everything. if you wanna trade him for sefolosha thats a mistake imo. luwawu is in our draft range so ill assume you picked him up.
2) giannis isnt. it was that ppl didnt know enough about him and didnt wanna gamble. the other guys you mentioned are all under the ncaa/AAU/highschool microscope. You know exactly where they are in their development and that makes GMs more comfortable to make an "educated guess"-gamble style.
Lack of intel was the reason that GMs passed on Giannis. You saw all the stuff that makes him awesome. It just wasnt developed. but ppl didnt know context or didnt trust the intes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don't think we'll move guys on rookie tracts unless we get a killer return.
Also NOP doesn't have to win now. The only one who needs to win is the coach. Or he needs his team to improve. Or look like they're improving.
Davis contracts ends in 2021. In 2020 they need to get deep in the playoffs. They have time.

The Pelicans certainly have time... but the GM and Coach are both on the hot seat and those are the guys making the decisions. Ownership doesn't have to listen, but those guys have every motivation to get better now and they may lose Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon... Rookies generally don't help you win so of the teams mentioned they have the most motivation imo.

If you view Murray as a superior prospect to Hood I could see us making the trade. i think a lot of us would hate it.

 

[Miggs]

1) in the post i quoted it isnt mentioned. im not gonna browse through everything. if you wanna trade him for sefolosha thats a mistake imo. luwawu is in our draft range so ill assume you picked him up.
2) giannis isnt. it was that ppl didnt know enough about him and didnt wanna gamble. the other guys you mentioned are all under the ncaa/AAU/highschool microscope. You know exactly where they are in their development and that makes GMs more comfortable to make an "educated guess"-gamble style.
Lack of intel was the reason that GMs passed on Giannis. You saw all the stuff that makes him awesome. It just wasnt developed. but ppl didnt know context or didnt trust the intes.

I don't give a **** what you do. But to state it's dumb to do a trade I never proposed is idiotic. Know your facts before you misspeak.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think whiteside is good offensively.
When I watched the heat play I saw all offense going through their wings and pg's. Whiteside rarely got the ball intentionally. Usually just put backs or lobs or whatever.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think whiteside is good offensively.
When I watched the heat play I saw all offense going through their wings and pg's. Whiteside rarely got the ball intentionally. Usually just put backs or lobs or whatever.

Im probably wrong. Looking at his stats he averaged over 11 attempts per game and over 17 points per 36. (Only played 29 minutes per game though) shot over 60% from the field.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Thon can be KG like the version of KG right before the wheels fell off... decent 20 footer and good defense, but not as good laterally as when he was in his prime.

Thon, Davis, and Jones are so much more intriguing to me than Skal. I'm not an NBA scout obviously but it's hard for me to see why he is rated higher than these guys.

I also think the hate has gone a little too far on Diamond Stone. He'll never be a 3 point shooter like the NBA wants bigs to be, but he's huge, decent in the post, and was productive. Now he's a consensus second rounder... kind of interesting to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

My most important things in a prospect is GREAT three point shooting first and athleticism (mostly speed and quickness) second.

Who has the best combo of those two things in this draft in everyone's opinion?

 

[Deleted member 848]

My most important things in a prospect is GREAT three point shooting first and athleticism (mostly speed and quickness) second.

Who has the best combo of those two things in this draft in everyone's opinion?

Deandre Bembry

 

[fishonjazz]

Deandre Bembry

Where is he projected to go in this draft