Rumor: Favors and Hayward for D'angello Russell and the #2 pick?

[Goodluckchuck]

I'm ok with this as long as the Jazz do something in free agency. We need a starting level wing (no, Hood isn't good enough), we need a backup big and I wouldn't hate a starting PG.

Let's ease Exum into this. Let's guarantee the playoffs (and a starting level PG and wing would all but do that).

If we aren't going to spend money anyways, then we are just Al Jeffersoning the season (i.e., screwing fans by staying close to playoff contention but not making it).

Screw the Millers. If they don't spend in free agency, I'd be ok with them selling the team because they will have shown they aren't interested in winning.

Contradiction my man. If they do the trade that will put us 3 years at least from the playoffs. So you can't have it both ways. If it's playoffs you wine about than your best chance is to keep this group of players to reach that goal. If you do that trade then it sets us back and we won't even get close for at least 3 years or longer.

I'm okay with any trade as long as I know the organizations plans. If you blow up this team then you better have some future proof goals. The issue here is players wanting to stay. Favs and G seem to like it here. I hate to give them up for someone who is going to bail the first chance they get. But if it makes the team better. Than do it.


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[green]

Contradiction my man. If they do the trade that will put us 3 years at least from the playoffs. So you can't have it both ways. If it's playoffs you wine about than your best chance is to keep this group of players to reach that goal. If you do that trade then it sets us back and we won't even get close for at least 3 years or longer.

I'm okay with any trade as long as I know the organizations plans. If you blow up this team then you better have some future proof goals. The issue here is players wanting to stay. Favs and G seem to like it here. I hate to give them up for someone who is going to bail the first chance they get. But if it makes the team better. Than do it.


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Not a contradiction at all. I'd take a shot at a superstar over playoffs this year. See the forest...

The Jazz don't have the balls to try for a title, so they will feed us some line about making the playoffs, youth growing together, Dante being our FA addition, blah, blah, blah.

If you are Utah, you have two good options: add a starting PG, a starting wing and backup big and push for the playoffs and hope Dante is an all star in three years.

2: trade Hayward and Favors for top picks (i.e., LA's pick and Russell or get Brooklyn's pick next year). Then actually tank, and have 1-2 top 3 picks next year [1 (your pick) and Russel if LA, Brooklyn and your pick if w/Boston] and actually build a contender.

But Utah won't do either. They will save money, talk about assets and growth, and cake baking erotica will fill this board up. Oh, and the Millers will continue to add to the over 1 Billion dollars in profits they have accumulated off the Jazz.

 

[Deleted member 848]

If the Jazz miss the playoffs again, Hayward will decline his option and leave.

Not that it matters, but if the Jazz could get #2 + Russell for Hayward and Favors, I'd do it.

bizarre to think that the Jazz will miss the playoffs again next season

 

[Stoked]

Not a contradiction at all. I'd take a shot at a superstar over playoffs this year. See the forest...

The Jazz don't have the balls to try for a title, so they will feed us some line about making the playoffs, youth growing together, Dante being our FA addition, blah, blah, blah.

If you are Utah, you have two good options: add a starting PG, a starting wing and backup big and push for the playoffs and hope Dante is an all star in three years.

2: trade Hayward and Favors for top picks (i.e., LA's pick and Russell or get Brooklyn's pick next year). Then actually tank, and have 1-2 top 3 picks next year [1 (your pick) and Russel if LA, Brooklyn and your pick if w/Boston] and actually build a contender.

But Utah won't do either. They will save money, talk about assets and growth, and cake baking erotica will fill this board up. Oh, and the Millers will continue to add to the over 1 Billion dollars in profits they have accumulated off the Jazz.

Hayward and Hood are both starting level wings. Easily. Now I am open to bringing in another wing and letting them compete but Utah has two excellent wings already.

 

[Deleted member 848]

2017 is gonna be a dope year. I'm predicting a run into the 2nd round. I'll crying Jordan myself at the end of the season if we don't get to the 2nd round. There's my #hottake

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

2017 is gonna be a dope year. I'm predicting a run into the 2nd round. I'll crying Jordan myself at the end of the season if we don't get to the 2nd round. There's my #hottake

As long as we get rid of Burke.

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[fishonjazz]

Let's ease Exum into this. Let's guarantee the playoffs (and a starting level PG and wing would all but do that).

I agree with this

 

[fishonjazz]

Top six Jazz players missed 180 games. So your theory is that if the Blazers top 6 had missed 180 games they would still have made the playoffs, just by having a positive attitude?

Top six Jazz players missed 180 games. So your theory is that if the Blazers top 6 had missed 180 games they would still have made the playoffs, just by having a positive attitude?[/QUOTE


No one here BUT ME gave the Blazers any chance of earning a playoff spot with the roster they had and they went out and got it done. So what will the excuse be next year if Jazz don't make playoffs and was injury free most of the year?

Pencil in these teams from the get go in the West
GSW
OKC- Even without Durant they are a playoff team with Russ
Spurs
Clippers
Grizzlies- Hey they had a lot of people injured this year and still made it
Portland

That leaves 2 spots open with these teams fighting for the last 2
Dallas
Houston
Utah
Denver- Rising team
Pelicans- Davis is fully capable of having a monster season and leading them into playoffs
Timberwolves- They got the star pieces

So that's 6 teams fighting for 2 spots. Can you make a case even whith a healthy roster that the Jazz are 2 of the 6 out of this group? To me in order id put Dallas, Houston, Timberwolves,Denver, Utah, Pelicans

You never answered the question

 

[tleikheen]

For me, I say have it one more go with Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Exum, Burks, Hood, Lyles lineup along with additional help from free agency without any setback injuries and fully healthy season. If that doesn't work and not make the playoffs again, I'm game in trading Hayward, Favors or whoever just as long we get good assets back in return.

I think this lineup is going to catapult up in Wins in the Western Conference.Hayward,Favors ,Hood ,Exum,Burks,Lyles are ALL going to be able to put points on the scoreboard.Gobert ,Exum ,Hayward and Favors will keep points off the scoreboard.
The big key is Health....

 

[green]

I think this lineup is going to catapult up in Wins in the Western Conference.Hayward,Favors ,Hood ,Exum,Burks,Lyles are ALL going to be able to put points on the scoreboard.Gobert ,Exum ,Hayward and Favors will keep points off the scoreboard.
The big key is Health....

Ah, the fan that keeps the Millers rich. Or the plant from camp LHM to build enthusiasm for bake the cake, fight for eight campaign.

 

[tleikheen]

Let's ease Exum into this. Let's guarantee the playoffs (and a starting level PG and wing would all but do that).
I agree with this

I think Exum is the key to making the playoffs and going deep...you can't put some sieve on defense in front of Gobert and Favors and expect to play better than .500 ball. You might as well keep Trey Burke as starter at PG if you want offense and mediocre defense.
Exum makes his team mates better and he can become the top defending PG in the NBA and really shut down teams offenses at their point of attack and allow Gobert and Favors to protect the basket easier.
I don't understand this *ease* Exum into the lineup....he will have had 15 months of intense rehab and workouts.He will probably be a better shape than everyone else on the Jazz.

 

[Gameface]

Ah, the fan that keeps the Millers rich. Or the plant from camp LHM to build enthusiasm for bake the cake, fight for eight campaign.

I just want to take a moment to say that I hate hate hate your perspective on how to build a championship team. If the Jazz were to do this they wouldn't stay in Utah long enough to bring Utah a title.

It's like the guy shoving all in every hand hoping that his 6-4 offsuit makes a full house. Yeah, it could eventually happen, but it's not any kind of strategy.

Green, you want the Jazz to roll the dice over and over and over until they get lucky. Admit it, that's your strategy. Just keep taking long shots until eventually it pays off. Because there's no way to build a champion, you just got to keep betting it all and rolling those dice until your numbers come up.

You keep ranting and raving like we're all dumb and we just don't get it. Yeah, I get it. I don't like it. It isn't like what you are suggesting here or what you suggest anywhere ever is a better than 50/50 to get a title for the Jazz, but that's not even how you're looking at it. You just hope that through no real skill, through no meaningful development, through no type of actual planning and FO maneuvering that the Jazz just keep swinging wildly until they land that knockout blow.

Puke

P.S. Sorry everyone for all the cliches

 

[Stoked]

Ah, the fan that keeps the Millers rich. Or the plant from camp LHM to build enthusiasm for bake the cake, fight for eight campaign.

Smh... hollow retort.

 

[green]

First, Utah ain't going nowhere. They haven't been to the playoffs in forever and are still top 10 in attendance and are selling tickets like hotcakes. AND they own their stadium. That means they make money off the American Idol and Disney on Ice performances in the summer time when half the NBA is in the playoffs but Utah isn't. IF they left, some other team would move here yesterday.

You bag on my strategy but it's simple: Don't get stuck in the middle. I want Utah to make moves to move up or down. And if that's dumb...well, then every analyst/GM is dumb because that's their greatest fear.

Except Utah. For whatever reason, they LOVE the middle (probably because that's where the most profits are).

They have Al and Millsap and Korver and make no moves to better the team. Or worsen it. They sit in the middle collecting money. They have Hornacek on the bench, but don't fire Corbin to give him a shot (save money). Then they let both walk for nothing and Millsap goes on to be an All Star. And Korver goes on to have amazing seasons statistically and is an All Star as well. BUT, they say they are tanking. But not really. They still want to be competitive (again, to maximize profits).

This year, they have talent and a real shot at the playoffs. It's been awhile and the fanbase would love the playoffs. Utah has cap room. What do they do? Nothing, putting the millions in cap room back in their pockets. Profits are great in the middle.

Like I've said, I don't want to wildly throw caution to the wind. I want the Jazz to do SOMETHING...other than let their talent walk as FA's and become All Stars in other cities.

Either move up (get a starting PG, starting wing and backup big) or move down (go for a superstar).

But both those options cost money. And that eats profits.

So, I see the Jazz doing nothing. Maybe moving back in the draft (more savings). Then talk about Dante, Burks being healthy as FA additions. Oh, and having Mack all year. And Lyles getting better.

I'll give it to the Millers. It's genius. The profits are incredible. They prey on Utah's "trusting" nature.

I'll eat my words if I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But I won't be. You will start to hear about how great Exum looks, how Rudy has gained weight, Lyles has become the next Love and is draining threes at a historical rate.

And we will bake the cake and watch Lillard and four scrubs do better than Utah.

 

[green]

I think Exum is the key to making the playoffs and going deep...you can't put some sieve on defense in front of Gobert and Favors and expect to play better than .500 ball. You might as well keep Trey Burke as starter at PG if you want offense and mediocre defense.
Exum makes his team mates better and he can become the top defending PG in the NBA and really shut down teams offenses at their point of attack and allow Gobert and Favors to protect the basket easier.
I don't understand this *ease* Exum into the lineup....he will have had 15 months of intense rehab and workouts.He will probably be a better shape than everyone else on the Jazz.

Fine. I don't care about easing Exum into the starting role. I don't care about Exum getting playing time. If Exum is as good as people think he will be, he will be able to play the one and two and will demand minutes by his play.

So, you have Exum, who has played one season of professional ball and offensively he was historically terrible. He then sat out a year. Now, he is coming off an injury. What do you do? Do you throw him in for 35 mins a night and hope he blossoms?

Or do you sign a starting PG, let Exum play against second string guys, give him more minutes as he improves, let him play the 1 and 2, which plays into Snyder's strategy of multiple P&R's every possession and bump up his minutes as he needs to and ends the year playing 30-35 mins a night and you make the playoffs?

I'll take the 6-4 strategy and go after the PG that has shown he can start and then hedge my bets on Dante.

OR, if I believe Dante is the answer, then build around Dante and move Favors and Hayward for pieces that will compliment Dante. But then, what fun would that be when my organization loves watching our prized FA's leave and become All Stars somewhere else?

 

[green]

the Jazz just keep swinging wildly until they land that knockout blow.

Puke

P.S. Sorry everyone for all the cliches

This is my problem. The Jazz aren't swinging. They are literally doing NOTHING. Let FA's walk. Obtain assets. Don't do anything with them. Don't sign anyone.

What has Utah done? Let me ask you this. This could have been Utah's team:

Hornacek - Head Coach, has won 48 games in the Western Conference with a team supposed to be at the bottom of the West.

PG - Mack, Burke (I do believe that Burke isn't worth the ninth pick, but he would be perfect for Horny's system)
SG - Hayward, Burks
SF - Carroll, Hood (Hood was taken late in the first round, Utah could have gotten him again)
PF - Millsap
C - Favors, Gobert (Again, Utah could have bought Gobert the same way they bought Gobert)

That adds up to 80 million. We'd still have cap room. We would have made the playoffs.

 

[tleikheen]

PG - Mack, Burke (I do believe that Burke isn't worth the ninth pick, but he would be perfect for Horny's system)
SG - Hayward, Burks
SF - Carroll, Hood (Hood was taken late in the first round, Utah could have gotten him again)
PF - Millsap
C - Favors, Gobert (Again, Utah could have bought Gobert the same way they bought Gobert)

this would be a losing team in the West,very pedestrian and average ability as a unit

 

[ncoloradojazz]

this would be a losing team in the West,very pedestrian and average ability as a unit

Yet you think the current Jazz roster has championship caliber ability.lol

 

[ncoloradojazz]

You never answered the question

Just get your excuse ready for this year. I talked about how Blazers had a whole new starting lineup with only one returning player. Still made playoffs. a roster with no chemistry at beginning of the year since it was a whole new roster, Still made playoffs no excuses. Thing with Blazers is they showed what having a superstar player can do for you. Jazz are lacking a superstar. It is reason Houston made playoffs, Harden.. Jazz lack a superstar and you need a superstar to go alogn with good role players. Jazz have fantastic role players but no star... I don't need to answer your question because it will be same story after next season and Jazz will be on outside looking in. Look at how many of you laughed and called me names and question my ability whne ?I said Blazers woulsd be a better team, They were and instead of just saying I was right yall have to act like women and come up with excuses. Get ready for another excuse...
Also on a side not and this just isn't to you but why does everyone here just assume Exum is going be a great guard in the NBA? IT is possible he is who he is at this moment as a player. It happens. Nothing is set in stone either way but just assuming he is going be a star shows the lack of basketball commonsense around here

 

[tleikheen]

Yet you think the current Jazz roster has championship caliber ability.lol

I dont know if you have much education ,Ive never said championship BUT I have said when healthy they will have a team who can with their defense compete with any team ,whether they can win the close games will come down to their maturation on offense as a young veteran team.I advocate a scorer in the draft to help get them from near the bottom as a team in scoring.