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Cy the Contrarian back at it. He usually gives decent feedback, but really struggles to see both sides of the argument. PKM is always objective when it comes to Kentucky players and him backing Murray this much means something. I'd trade Hayward or Favors straight up for Murray. We have Hood and Lyles as replacements for either one. Nothing screams star to me about either one of them. They're perfect 2nd and 3rd options on a contender, but by default they're 1st and 2nd options on this team because we have no star. Naturally I'd give up any player on this team for a chance at a star. We'd have either Exum, Murray, Hood, Favors, Gobert w/ Lyles and Burks + #12 or Exum, Murray, Hayward, Lyles, Gobert w/ Hood and Burks + #12. If we don't make a move our fate is solely in Exum's hands. Hayward tried leaving us once what would stop him a second time.
 
White Chocolate said:
King Cy the Contrarian back at it. He usually gives decent feedback, but really struggles to see both sides of the argument. PKM is always objective when it comes to Kentucky players and him backing Murray this much means something. I'd trade Hayward or Favors straight up for Murray. We have Hood and Lyles as replacements for either one. Nothing screams star to me about either one of them. They're perfect 2nd and 3rd options on a contender, but by default they're 1st and 2nd options on this team because we have no star. Naturally I'd give up any player on this team for a chance at a star. We'd have either Exum, Murray, Hood, Favors, Gobert w/ Lyles and Burks + #12 or Exum, Murray, Hayward, Lyles, Gobert w/ Hood and Burks + #12. If we don't make a move our fate is solely in Exum's hands. Hayward tried leaving us once what would stop him a second time.
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Fixed.

Also remember to breathe. Don't want you choking on PKM's member.

I really want a star too. I'm not looking at an undersized 2-guard to be that player.
 
Once again, Murray doesn't play defense. How many star players are there that don't play defense, and have been able to lead their teams to good records?

Irving (pre-LeBron)? Love? Melo? Lillard would probly be one, but even he's a better defender. People here really don't value Hayward well at all. He's very, very good. He's just not a star.
 
Does Hayward stay though? Even if we make the playoffs, I'd still be worried about him leaving. Maybe trading for Boston's pick isn't the right answer, but it's not a terrible option if you're the GM and think Hayward is more than likely gone.

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spycam1 said:
Does Hayward stay though? Even if we make the playoffs, I'd still be worried about him leaving. Maybe trading for Boston's pick isn't the right answer, but it's not a terrible option if you're the GM and think Hayward is more than likely gone.

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That's the biggest question and that why(not the fake he's not a first option argument) trading him might make sense - if you have any indication that he plans on testing FA(as in go about wining and dining), you just have to consider trading him, because he's too good of a player to lose him for nothing.
 
spycam1 said:
Does Hayward stay though? Even if we make the playoffs, I'd still be worried about him leaving. Maybe trading for Boston's pick isn't the right answer, but it's not a terrible option if you're the GM and think Hayward is more than likely gone.

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it's two-pronged

- we all know how financially-conscious & family-oriented Hayward is. No one can offer him the contract that the Jazz can; and his style of play isn't exactly one that screams for endorsements. What big deals will he get if he moves to the Lakers or Celtics?
- Hayward will leave if the team shows him nothing this year. If we get first-round swept, I'll be worried. If we hit the second round, I think he's guaranteed to stay. In terms of competitive teams with young talent where he can be the star, only Boston really jumps at me (along with the Brad Stevens connection). Jazz need to sell to him that the Jazz are the team with better long-term prospects.

Given how well-rounded our team is, I think we're a draft-steal and 1-2 solid FA pickups away from 5th seed this coming season. I say keep Hayward through the offseason and only look to trade if the team is slumping & he wants out
 
stitches said:
That's the biggest question and that why(not the fake he's not a first option argument) trading him might make sense - if you have any indication that he plans on testing FA(as in go about wining and dining), you just have to consider trading him, because he's too good of a player to lose him for nothing.
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every smart player should go about wining and dining. It's dumb to tell an athlete otherwise. This romantic conception of sticking with one team for your entire career only makes sense if you're a HOF or if you have a HOF coach/GM combination.

Durant would be a ****ing idiot to not consider all of his options, for example.
 
dalamon said:
it's two-pronged

- we all know how financially-conscious & family-oriented Hayward is. No one can offer him the contract that the Jazz can; and his style of play isn't exactly one that screams for endorsements. What big deals will he get if he moves to the Lakers or Celtics?
- Hayward will leave if the team shows him nothing this year. If we get first-round swept, I'll be worried. If we hit the second round, I think he's guaranteed to stay. In terms of competitive teams with young talent where he can be the star, only Boston really jumps at me (along with the Brad Stevens connection). Jazz need to sell to him that the Jazz are the team with better long-term prospects.

Given how well-rounded our team is, I think we're a draft-steal and 1-2 solid FA pickups away from 5th seed this coming season. I say keep Hayward through the offseason and only look to trade if the team is slumping & he wants out
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Yeah, but he is white and could easily blow up endorsement wise if he went to LA. You know all about that white privilege.
 
How much more $ can the Jazz offer Hayward vs other teams? Anyone know the exact numbers?

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dalamon said:
it's two-pronged

- we all know how financially-conscious & family-oriented Hayward is. No one can offer him the contract that the Jazz can; and his style of play isn't exactly one that screams for endorsements. What big deals will he get if he moves to the Lakers or Celtics?
- Hayward will leave if the team shows him nothing this year. If we get first-round swept, I'll be worried. If we hit the second round, I think he's guaranteed to stay. In terms of competitive teams with young talent where he can be the star, only Boston really jumps at me (along with the Brad Stevens connection). Jazz need to sell to him that the Jazz are the team with better long-term prospects.

Given how well-rounded our team is, I think we're a draft-steal and 1-2 solid FA pickups away from 5th seed this coming season. I say keep Hayward through the offseason and only look to trade if the team is slumping & he wants out
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quite frankly, i think we were a 5th seed if we had completely healthy seasons from Rudy and Fav this season.
 
Word is if Bender is not taken by Boston or the Suns at 4...that he could fall out of top-10. You buy that Steve ?
stevekylerNBA: I do... Not sure Bender has as many fans among NBA teams as he does media and fan-bases. Has talent for sure.


Wow, I wonder what Bender's backstop is then. Orlando at 11? Phoenix at 13?
 
King Cy said:
Yeah, but he is white and could easily blow up endorsement wise if he went to LA. You know all about that white privilege.
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i think he'd blow up if LA became a playoff team again.


As it stands, they're probably 4-5 years away from that.
 
dalamon said:
i think he'd blow up if LA became a playoff team again.


As it stands, they're probably 4-5 years away from that.
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Nah, no one has a history of turning around their team as fast as LA. They will get some star in FA eventually or they will trade for one. If they add Hayward onto that they could be good very fast.
 
dalamon said:
every smart player should go about wining and dining. It's dumb to tell an athlete otherwise. This romantic conception of sticking with one team for your entire career only makes sense if you're a HOF or if you have a HOF coach/GM combination.

Durant would be a ****ing idiot to not consider all of his options, for example.
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I guess I have to agree, maybe I didn't phrase it right. I meant more as - if he gives u indication that he leans towards not staying.
 
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