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Following 2016 potential draftees

Cunning Linguist said:
Yep. Locke's riding me and you's jocks. We called Zizic three weeks ago.
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Iirc, you called it first and I jumped on. I'm convinced he's the surest thing in the draft outside of the very top of the lottery (maybe outside the top 2) in terms of being a surefire rotation guy. His upside might not be as high as some others, but at the very least, he'll come in and rebound like crazy and get garbage buckets because of his nice size and nonstop motor.
 
#bern said:
Why take him at 12 when there are players who actually played better, with similar ceilings? Hell, I'd take Stephen Zimmerman over Skal at this point.

Go ahead and look at his per 40, it doesn't mean ****. You know what does? In a season where Kentucky desperately needed any sort of inside presence, Skal, with all of his talents and skills, couldn't get more than 15 mpg. At the end of the season, during the conference tournament, he had 30 minutes total. He did play more in the NCAAT, but when matched up against a big guy with talent (Thomas Bryant) he couldn't do anything. Bryant meanwhile had one of the best games of his year.
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No one should be recruiting Skal to be an inside presence. That's not what he is. He's not a paint scorer, and he's not a guy you run your offense through. He's a pick-and-pop player and floor spacer at this stage. If he never becomes more than this, you live with it. He's the best combination of length, quickness and shooting touch you'll find after Bender is off the board.

The first skill he needs to develop before anything else is passing.
 
Catchall said:
No one should be recruiting Skal to be an inside presence. That's not what he is. He's not a paint scorer, and he's not a guy you run your offense through. He's a pick-and-pop player and floor spacer at this stage. If he never becomes more than this, you live with it. He's the best combination of length, quickness and shooting touch you'll find after Bender is off the board.

The first skill he needs to develop before anything else is passing.
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To be playable he will need to rebound at least on the defensive end. I just see other guys who have some of the same tools and actually use them... it's easier to develop a jumpshot than to develop heart and toughness.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
Interesting debate.

First bentley i like you man. Stay strong

As for hayward i would love to see what they can get this offseason and do. Ddr i think would be a great compliment to hayward.

With that said if the jazz decided to trade hayward i think he is worth more than just the 3rd pick. There would need to be one of bostons 2017 pick.

The jazz draft murray. With the 12th pick the best big available. Let us assume skal for arguments sake.

In the offseason i would target barnes. I think that he can be a very solid piece and could give the jazz similar production to hayward.

Exum, mack, neto
Murray, burks maybe switch depending on burks health
Barnes, hood, ingles
Favors, lyles, zipser
Gobert, withey, skal or other big at 12

I like barnes and he knows what it is like to win.
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Barnes is so overrated especially by Jazz fans. Hayward is twice the player he is. I think Jazz fans love Barnes so much because if GS hadn't tanked he probably would be on the Jazz.
 
cowhide said:
Barnes is so overrated especially by Jazz fans. Hayward is twice the player he is. I think Jazz fans love Barnes so much because if GS hadn't tanked he probably would be on the Jazz.
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I just don't think you can watch Harrison Barnes and come away impressed. He is so average. He shoots the three well because he is wide *** open all the time. He can't create his shot and is a so-so defender.

Half the time I don't even know the guy is out there.
 
I don't see how people can say Skal's floor is Frye or even just a rotation player when he could hardly manage being a decent rotation player in college.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just don't think you can watch Harrison Barnes and come away impressed. He is so average. He shoots the three well because he is wide *** open all the time. He can't create his shot and is a so-so defender.

Half the time I don't even know the guy is out there.
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And he will get paid 20 million this offseason.
 
cowhide said:
Barnes is so overrated especially by Jazz fans.
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Apparently you don't know much about jazz fans. For every one who likes barnes there are 10 who don't.
 
stitches said:
Kay Felder> Tyler Ulis?

Discuss!
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Draft them both and put one on the others shoulders to make a full NBA player.

I'd take either in the second round, but don't see them as anything except backups.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Draft them both and put one on the others shoulders to make a full NBA player.

I'd take either in the second round, but don't see them as anything except backups.
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Same, I think they are both really fun players to watch, but I don't think they fit well in our system at all. The thing with Felder is... at least he has a strong body, while Ulis is literally under 150 pounds. I can't see how he will handle the NBA physicality.
 
Chad Ford Official list of international early entries who stayed in the draft: Gracin Bakumanya, Dragan Bender, Petr Cornelie, Juan Hernangomez, Furkan Korkmaz, Timothe Luwawu, Georgios Papagiannis, Zhou Qi, Guerschon Yabusele, Rade Zagorac, Ante Zizic, Ivica Zubac
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Not many stashable players in the second round. Papagiannis might be worth it. Bakumanya, too... The rest will probably not fall to us in the second.

Can we trade up in the second using all our seconds to get Zagorac?

Edit: I just realized this is not the full list. Cordinier is still in... He was my early pre-draft crush prospect. I'd love it if we manage to acquire him in the second.
 
I wonder what team is gonna pick Zhou Qi? NBA scouts think he's 23 or 24 years old instead of 20 years old like he says. To them, that's somewhat alarming.
 
mellow said:
And he will get paid 20 million this offseason.
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What would u rather have, 20 million for Barnes, or 30 million for Hayward? Food for thought. I'd take the ladder. With no hesitation.

As for the Skal argument... IMO he has tremendous upside. He's only 18 and every player is different in the speed they mature and progress. Also, I've seen plenty of cases where the player's game is better suited for the NBA game, and Vice versa great college players who couldn't live up to the hype.

There are a few guys I'd rather draft, but I also think there is enough risk reward to justify drafting Skal, and it wouldn't bother me at all
 
Thee jazz fan said:
What would u rather have, 20 million for Barnes, or 30 million for Hayward? Food for thought. I'd take the ladder. With no hesitation.

As for the Skal argument... IMO he has tremendous upside. He's only 18 and every player is different in the speed they mature and progress. Also, I've seen plenty of cases where the player's game is better suited for the NBA game, and Vice versa great college players who couldn't live up to the hype.

There are a few guys I'd rather draft, but I also think there is enough risk reward to justify drafting Skal, and it wouldn't bother me at all
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Pretty sure skal is at least 20... I would understand the Skal pick... I'd understand dejounte Murray... Richardson i don't get at all... So many guys I'd have rated over him if I was a GM.
 
stitches said:
Not many stashable players in the second round. Papagiannis might be worth it. Bakumanya, too... The rest will probably not fall to us in the second.

Can we trade up in the second using all our seconds to get Zagorac?

Edit: I just realized this is not the full list. Cordinier is still in... He was my early pre-draft crush prospect. I'd love it if we manage to acquire him in the second.
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Not sure Zagorac will last into the second. Will depend a lot on his workouts coming up.
 
stitches said:
Same, I think they are both really fun players to watch, but I don't think they fit well in our system at all. The thing with Felder is... at least he has a strong body, while Ulis is literally under 150 pounds. I can't see how he will handle the NBA physicality.
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Agree here. Felders build and athleticism is closer to what Isaiah Thomas' are... Ulis is still interesting but damn... Cy's had girlfriends that weighed more than 150 lbs.
 
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