Following 2016 potential draftees

[BTP]

Whenever I figure I want to understand something that concerns the salary cap and I spend another 30 min trying to find out which rule is determining what happens in this case and which scale is being used to calculate a value, I am being reminded why I'd be miserable if I was a lawyer.
I'd still pay Hayward though and try to find out how far this team can go. It shows so much promise.

 

[fishonjazz]

That's the absolute most he can make, it's not what we have to pay, and most likely we wouldn't pay that much.

What do you mean? We will likely have to give him the 5 year max to keep him from what I have been hearing.

I think you are wrong on this one.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Folkels, a couple of questions here for you draft gurus...

Who are the longest players for their positions?

Who are the youngest players for their positions?

If there is a spreadsheet that has that info I think it would be helpful because those two data points have been almost prerequisites to the jazz drafting strategy.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think a lot of people understand that fact.

There have been days and days of discussion about maxing Hayward. I have brought up the 32-39 million numbers many many times. ZERO people said that there was a chance he would not get that much.
Why do you think no one ever disputed it?

 

[NCJazz]

Folkels, a couple of questions here for you draft gurus...

Who are the longest players for their positions?

Who are the youngest players for their positions?

If there is a spreadsheet that has that info I think it would be helpful because those two data points have been almost prerequisites to the jazz drafting strategy.

As far as players who might still be available when we draft: Korkmaz, D Murray, Ellenson, D Davis are the youngest. Just saw that Richardson is almost two years older than Korkmaz. Draft Express probably best site for info you want.

 

[NCJazz]

What do you mean? We will likely have to give him the 5 year max to keep him from what I have been hearing.

I think you are wrong on this one.

Well when is the new CBA going to come into fruition? If that increases how much guys get paid I can see him and others sign a shorter contract.

 

[RandyForRubio]

There have been days and days of discussion about maxing Hayward. I have brought up the 32-39 million numbers many many times. ZERO people said that there was a chance he would not get that much.
Why do you think no one ever disputed it?

Because most people don't understand how contracts work. And I have seen a couple people question it, which is more than zero.

We can offer an extra year compared to other teams. That could give us some room to do a longer, but lower contract. More security for Hayward that way. Idk what he'll do. Would've been easier if DL had signed him to a bigger contract before he hit RFA.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

There have been days and days of discussion about maxing Hayward. I have brought up the 32-39 million numbers many many times. ZERO people said that there was a chance he would not get that much.
Why do you think no one ever disputed it?

So, because no one on this board thinks he will not take less then max, that automatically means he won't? Let's look at the facts. Does anything Hayward do suggest he cares about total top dollar as long as he's making a good amount? This is a guy who drove a cheap car when he was making millions and eating subway. He isn't a party boy, and as far as I know, I've never heard that he was all that find of the night life. I could be wrong about that, but all I can say is I've never heard anything about him going to clubs or bars. He's now married and has a kid and enjoys video games. Seems like he prefers the simple life with his family and being top dog for the Jazz.

He's smart and knows the Jazz are building something great. He comes off as a down to earth guy who enjoys his family and teammates. I've never heard comments similar to DWill passing out threats of leaving or anything never any Boozer type statements about getting paid. IMO as long as the Jazz treat him fairly and offer a raise, I don't think he would try to completely break the bank. He seems like the guy that would take less to keep his buddies on the team.

Hayward just doesn't have that kind of cocky personality u see with most NBA stars.


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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So, because no one on this board thinks he will not take less then max, that automatically means he won't? Let's look at the facts. Does anything Hayward do suggest he cares about total top dollar as long as he's making a good amount? This is a guy who drove a cheap car when he was making millions and eating subway. He isn't a party boy, and as far as I know, I've never heard that he was all that find of the night life. I could be wrong about that, but all I can say is I've never heard anything about him going to clubs or bars. He's now married and has a kid and enjoys video games. Seems like he prefers the simple life with his family and being top dog for the Jazz.

He's smart and knows the Jazz are building something great. He comes off as a down to earth guy who enjoys his family and teammates. I've never heard comments similar to DWill passing out threats of leaving or anything never any Boozer type statements about getting paid. IMO as long as the Jazz treat him fairly and offer a raise, I don't think he would try to completely break the bank. He seems like the guy that would take less to keep his buddies on the team.

Hayward just doesn't have that kind of cocky personality u see with most NBA stars.


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Let's also remember that the state of Utah is a perfect match for who Hayward is as a person.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

So, because no one on this board thinks he will not take less then max, that automatically means he won't? Let's look at the facts. Does anything Hayward do suggest he cares about total top dollar as long as he's making a good amount? This is a guy who drove a cheap car when he was making millions and eating subway. He isn't a party boy, and as far as I know, I've never heard that he was all that find of the night life. I could be wrong about that, but all I can say is I've never heard anything about him going to clubs or bars. He's now married and has a kid and enjoys video games. Seems like he prefers the simple life with his family and being top dog for the Jazz.

He's smart and knows the Jazz are building something great. He comes off as a down to earth guy who enjoys his family and teammates. I've never heard comments similar to DWill passing out threats of leaving or anything never any Boozer type statements about getting paid. IMO as long as the Jazz treat him fairly and offer a raise, I don't think he would try to completely break the bank. He seems like the guy that would take less to keep his buddies on the team.

Hayward just doesn't have that kind of cocky personality u see with most NBA stars.


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That's funny.. I've used the same argument (subway and the accord) to suggest he will absolutely get everything he can.

His representation has taken everything the can in negotiations and was unwilling to extend on his rookie deal because they were a couple M off per year. They played this perfectly... Got player options, trade kickers, and timed the market perfectly so that he could get a ransom.

Winning and family are important but I have no doubt he gets multiple four year max options and we'd be smart to come in and offer a five year deal as soon as FA opens so he doesn't talk to other teams.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I could be wrong, but his interests and personality seem to line up with Hayward not demanding or needing a max deal


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[Handlogten's Heros]

What do you mean? We will likely have to give him the 5 year max to keep him from what I have been hearing.

I think you are wrong on this one.

I'm with Fish here... He gets 5 year max... May take a slight discount on fifth year but nothing that will save us enough to significantly move the needle.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

That's funny.. I've used the same argument (subway and the accord) to suggest he will absolutely get everything he can.

His representation has taken everything the can in negotiations and was unwilling to extend on his rookie deal because they were a couple M off per year. They played this perfectly... Got player options, trade kickers, and timed the market perfectly so that he could get a ransom.

Winning and family are important but I have no doubt he gets multiple four year max options and we'd be smart to come in and offer a five year deal as soon as FA opens so he doesn't talk to other teams.

Getting this last contract and going for the next are completely different.

Before, he was coming off his team friendly rookie contract. The current deal was all about being set up for life. He's still going to get paid very well and get a lot more money then what he's currently getting.

Looking at life style and his overall demeanor, and things he's said or hasn't said, would lead me to believe he wants to be here, because it's best for his life style and family and loves his teammates. By the way, another reason to keep Ingles other then the fact that he's a good role player.

Above all else he wants to win here.


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[NCJazz]

Wait isnt this the draft thread? Getting back to that FWIW Ford has his whom the teams should actually pick draft up. He has us taking D Murray.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I think that we'll keep Hayward and eventually trade Gobert or Favors since we have Lyles coming up. Probably Favors.

IF the Jazz think Exum is the real deal, then I think Baldwin is a better option over D Murray. IF they don't trust Exum coming back well, I can see why they would prefer Murray.

 

[RandyForRubio]

And Hayward is cheap as hell. Dudes gonna try to get every penny he can. I'm just not sure we'll have to offer as much as possible. I think 2017 is gonna be a pretty good FA class, everybody's gonna wanna be in on it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bron, Durant and others to take one year deals with a player option.

 

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Chad Ford's grade A mock:
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/ins...aft-best-fits-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-more

Utah Jazz

Needs: Depth, backup PG, shooting

No. 12: Dejounte Murray, PG, Washington

Some teams believe if Murray had played at Duke or Kentucky, he'd be a sure-fire top-five pick. His size, quickness and toughness are all elite for a point guard prospect. He's not a great shooter and he can sometimes play out of control, but with the Jazz looking to be a playoff team for the next decade, they ought to take one more swing at getting a young star in the draft.

You'll have to be patient with Murray, but his long-term upside is off the charts and he and Dante Exum could be a lethal combo down the road.

Other interesting picks:
-Celtics get Murray at 3
-Korkmaz goes no. 10 to the Bucks.
-Thon Maker goes no. 18 to the Pistons
-Zizic no. 15 to the Nuggets.

 

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Jonathan Tjarks has heard Jazz being high on Dejounte too:

@eric_nehm @Badgerlander He very much feels like a J. Kidd player. I've heard the Jazz are high on him as well.
— Jonathan Tjarks (@JonathanTjarks) June 15, 2016

I'm telling you, guys. Brace yourselves for Dejounte. The Locke conspiracy will be confirmed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And Hayward is cheap as hell. Dudes gonna try to get every penny he can. I'm just not sure we'll have to offer as much as possible. I think 2017 is gonna be a pretty good FA class, everybody's gonna wanna be in on it. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bron, Durant and others to take one year deals with a player option.

He should not and will not offer us a discount. We shouldn't expect him to. His last contract was to set up this opportunity... Could have signed a longer deal... Probably could have received an offer and brought it back to us and asked us to go 5 years. Do we think he set all that up to take less than market value?

He can be happy in many places... It's not like he will have to go to philly to get a max deal... Could go home, LA, a perennial contender.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jonathan Tjarks has heard Jazz being high on Dejounte too:



I'm telling you, guys. Brace yourselves for Dejounte. The Locke conspiracy will be confirmed.

I like Baldwin so much more but would trust the pick.