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George Hill coming to Utah

I think it's funny people were cool with trading Hayward for the 3 to draft Murray, but not the 12 for Hill.

Hint: Murray will never be as impactful as Hill.
 
NAOS said:
it's only the likes of [MENTION=228]green[/MENTION] that think they see something in Teague that Snyder doesn't. As in Quin Snyder, Teague's former coach. Give me a freaking break.
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Hey, maybe Snyder is right. But, the Pacers agree with me.

I've made this perfectly clear, but you guys seem to want to ignore it:

I don't like that the Jazz took the older, cheaper option. It's the same issue I've had with the Jazz all offseason. Get good enough to battle for the 6-8 seed and make a ton of money.

If Exum pans out, this is an amazing trade.

If Exum doesn't pan out, Teague would have been the much better trade.

I would prefer the Teague trade because it is safer, although more expensive.

The Jazz took the cheaper, riskier route. If Exum doesn't pan out, we are screwed at PG in two years. Teague gives you a bigger window to have Exum develop.

Hill is a very good player. A Very good player. He fits Utah fine. He will make us a lot better. No one is arguing that.

My complaint all offseason has been this:

The Jazz don't do things all the way. They almost do things, then they chicken out to save some money.

The tank...but not completely. They still have Corbin and he is trying to win games and they end up with the fifth pick.

They gather assets...then let Kanter go for nothing. They let Millsap, Korver, Carroll, Jefferson go for nothing.

They have a goal of making the playoffs...then they don't bring in a starting PG, have one of the lowest payrolls in the NBA and miss the playoffs.

They have a shot at an All Star PG...they go after the cheap, older PG.

See the pattern? That is what all my whining is all about.

It's not Hill. Hill is great. He makes us a lot better. He is a very good player. The Jazz are trying to win now and Hill helps accomplish that.
 
#bern said:
I think it's funny people were cool with trading Hayward for the 3 to draft Murray, but not the 12 for Hill.

Hint: Murray will never be as impactful as Hill.
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100% this. Draft picks are waaaaaaaay over-rated. WAaaaaaay over-rated. Especially #12 picks. They usually suck.
 
Also this is now saying to Hood, Lyles and Exum, ...


YOU GUYS ARE THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM NOW - GET IN SHAPE, BE ACCOUNTABLE, CONTRIBUTE.
 
Great write up from theringer.com:

https://theringer.com/jeff-teague-trade-pacers-hawks-jazz-reaction-e3f4740891e2#.w2guudlub

You trade for George Hill when you feel you’re on the precipice of something. The Pacers were brutalized by the Bulls in the first round of the 2011 playoffs, but it was a beacon in disguise. Desperate for some answer on Derrick Rose, the Pacers stuck an eager and willing Paul George on him. In that handful of possessions, George’s latent potential glimmered. The Pacers had found their way. They just needed stability. Hill started all 11 playoff games in 2011–12, his first season with the Pacers, pushing Indy to six games in an eye-opening series against the Miami Heat.
Disclaimer: Hill is one of my favorite players, and I’m going to opt out of defending that statement. Hill is not exciting. He is the Alex Smith of NBA starting point guards, a caretaker who can do a lot of things well enough while still remaining invisible through the course of a game. He makes good teams better. He averaged 12 points, four rebounds, and 3.5 assists last season; he shot nearly 41 percent from 3. He had the second-highest playoff on-court net rating of any Pacer outside of Paul George, and George beat him out by only a tenth of a point.
Even at 30, he is thriving within the shifting inequalities of the league. Teams don’t need ball-dominant point guards anymore. Circulate the ball, move off the ball, find open looks, and don’t look like an idiot when switched on a bigger defender. Hill has been an above-average shooter his entire career, he’s never averaged more than two turnovers a game, and he has one of the longest wingspans relative to his height in the NBA.
Utah’s defensive monolith will get stronger with Hill. Playing him with Dante Exum and Gordon Hayward in a lineup allows for maximum versatility without any ball-stopping. The Jazz have been so close to relevancy for what has felt like an eternity. It doesn’t look like much; it never does with Hill. But the Jazz are a playoff team now. Like, for real.
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#bern said:
He could have, maybe, 3 or 4 years down the road. Hill does it now. Big difference.
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He does it now and we know he can do it.

You never know what a draft pick can really do in the NBA. I've listened to too much hype over the years.
 
Gameface said:
He does it now and we know he can do it.

You never know what a draft pick can really do in the NBA. I've listened to too much hype over the years.
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This is true, and it's probably what I'm holding on to when considering this trade...


There are lots of PGs picked in the teens that don't pan out, much more than the ones who do.


Hill is a top #15 STARTING point guard in this league and that's something we know for sure he can be.
 
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