George Hill coming to Utah

[Ron Mexico]

Hill played 49 games.
Teague played 82.

That right there has no counter argument. If you don't think Teague for almost twice as many games would have made Utah better...then the conversations over.

Hill: 17 points, 4 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 40% from three, 19 PER, .599 TS%, 2.2 VORP
Teague: 15 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 36% from three, 19 PER, .574 TS%, 2.6 VORP

Hill played on a much better team. Hill accounted for 25-29 points per game. Teague accounted for 31-39 points per game.

Come on now. To argue Hill was better for Utah this year, with him only playing 49 games...is just dumb. You're digging in.

# of games is of very little importance. Hill is better in way more normal stats overall and advanced stats. The lack of games played is the only knock on Hill but his leadership was huge for the Jazz and Hayward. The games he played he was better especially the playoffs. Hayward and Hills friendship was huge for the team and Hayward. Teague on this team takes the ball out of Haywards hands and that is a bad thing. Hills defense is far superior to Teagues.

The 2 year age gap is close to meaningless and they have logged almost the same amount of playing time in the NBA and only 1 season exp difference in the NBA.

There is little difference Teagues extra games would have made to our overall record. We also would have lost games with him as a starter over a better player and better fit Hill when both were healthy. I would call our record a wash in the regular season between the two players due to Hill being better but missing more games. I think we lose to LAC with Teauge and that is a big deal for this team.

Who knows what happens to Hayward but chances are that Hill and his friendship with Hayward is a big factor in him staying much more than having Teague on this team would be.

Regular season:
Per 100 possessions (a much better comparison)
---------- Hill ----------- Teague
Points ------- 28.2 ------------- 23.6
FG%------- .477 ------------- .442
FG%------- .403 ------------- .357
Turnovers ----- 2.9 -------------- 4.1
Assists ------ 6.9 --------------- 12
Offensive rating 119 --------------- 115
Def Rating 107 ----------- 110
TS% -------- .6 ----------- 5.74
PER -------- 19.3 ---------- 19.2
BPM ----------- 3.9 ------------ 1.9

This doesnt take into account Hill's superior defense and his on and off court leadership that were greatly valued by the team and Hayward. Hills ability to stretch out the floor, play good defense, play off the ball and his leadership were huge for this team.

I think you might have dug in since you wanted Teague and were upset by the trade. I didnt see you posting much while the Jazz were playing well and in the playoffs beating a really good LAC team.

Honestly its not very close how much better Hill was for this team over Teague. I think other arguments could be made if Hill leaves but I still think the trade was great for this team and a huge positive even if Hill walks. His leadership and role on this team getting to the next level was huge and cant be undersold by negative nellys like you who want the Jazz to do bad to prove themselves right.

 

[green]

Look, I know Teague. I had him this whole year on my fantasy team and I eventually won the whole thing with him as my 5th-6th best player. He was a significant contributor to my team. I followed him all season and I feel like I know him better than most here.

Yes, he had a pretty good season. Nothing spectacular, but a solid season. His main contribution to my team was his assists.

8 assists to 4. About twice as good.

He wasn't a big 3pt shooter, not consistent.

36% to 40%, so Hill was better. BUT, Hill was on a much better team, and I'd bet that Hill had a lot more open looks than Teague.

His scoring is also not consistent. His midrange isn't something to brag about. He occasionally drive and dish, but for some reason he was very hesitant to do that. He was certainly ball dominant. [/QUOTE}

47% 2PT to 52%. Hill was better.

As far as being ball dominant, Hill had a higher usage rate, which is crazy when you consider that Hill had much better players around him.

All and all, a solid player, but just not a player I feel Quin or DL would think is a good fit for our team. He holds the ball too much for our system (just ask Paul George, who I don't think appreciate it all that much). He also was a very so so defender.

Teague is a better defender than Hill (I've already shown that) and Teague uses the ball less than Hill. Hill is a better shooter, but also played on a much better team and he wasn't significantly better as a shooter (6/12 for Hill vs 5/11 for Teague).

And I'll keep coming back to this, which is the most important stat:

Age and 49 games vs 82.

 

[green]

This doesnt take into account Hill's superior defense

lol

 

[Ron Mexico]

36% to 40%, so Hill was better. BUT, Hill was on a much better team, and I'd bet that Hill had a lot more open looks than Teague.

He did have more open shots from 3 point land. But even then when you compare wide open shots Hill shot a better percentage. Even when you look at when a defender is tight (2-4 feet) Hill shot a better percentage. Hill is a better shooter.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Hill sat out for 33 games. I think we were slightly under .500 in those games. If we go .622 in those games (our regular season win %), that is about 4 extra wins. That ties us for third place in the west.

Except for the fact that Hill won us at least 4 games as starter that Teague would not have. That is not factoring in the leadership and mentoring he did for Hayward that helped him take a big step.

 

[Ron Mexico]

lol

Indiana went from top 3 defense with Hill last year to bottom 10 defense. Sure there were other changes but that was the biggest change.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Teague wanted a max extension from whatever team he went to. I think Utah was hoping Hill would come in, be good, and then resign for cheap in December.

Do you EVER tire of screaming out of your ***?

 

[Revolution 9]

Hill looked like the far better player early on. We looked like the big winners in the 1st half of the season.

Games played DOES matter. Of course it does.

Hill got absolutely lit up by elite PGs late in the season. Hopefully his defensive issues were more due to his lingering injuries than his ability.

 

[Revolution 9]

Do you EVER tire of screaming out of your ***?

Do you?