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LoPo said:
Millsap played against starters.
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And sucked donkey balls. I'm mean really really sucked hard. (Big part of the reason favors got so much playing time)

The whole point is that first it was said that millsap was more clutch than favors. He was proven not to be.

Then it was said that millsap gets it done in the playoffs. Another lie.
Then I showed that a 20 year old favors outplayed 26 year old millsap. In the same playoff series. Better scoring (on better percentages), better rebounding better passing.

Funny how you have to keep coming up with reasons and excuses for why favors keeps statistically outperforming the much older millsap.

I expect nothing less from you.
Dig them heels in bro. Don't give an inch. Stand your ground.
 
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LoPo said:
I'm sorry, the Clippers are contenders. You're right because the stats say they are awesome. The stats also said Zach Randolph was a beast. He wasn't a beast when it mattered.

And you're going to,bring up Favors against Duncan when Favors got a ton of mop up duty minutes when we were getting crushed? Millsap played against starters.

By you standards, Mo Speights is amazing because he hit a couple 3's in mop up duty against the Cavs. "He hit 2 three pointers per game and his 36 min average would be 6." Manipulate the stats all you want. Favors has never played consistently with a chip on his shoulder like he has something to prove. If he did, maybe we would have a playoff sample size where he played against other team's starters and had real stats.

Millsap fits better next to Favors because Favors doesn't have range and cannot defend the perimeter as well or pass as well.

Ask every GM in the league and almost all,would take Millsap over Favors if we are talking about this season (the season we must perform or Hayward could leave).



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LoPo said:
Ask every GM in the league and almost all,would take Millsap over Favors if we are talking about this season (the season we must perform or Hayward could leave).
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That is your opinion. Mine is that I think every last GM in the NBA would choose Favors and it would not be close for the upcoming season. I would argue with the rest of your post with stats and facts but when all else fails just state opinions like they are facts.

Only year that Millsap was the top dog in Atlanta was his first after Horford went down and they had an awful record then, they went 14-30 during that time. But he still had 3 other all-stars besides Horford on that team, 4 if you include Millsap as one. Team was better with Josh Smith...
 
Dr. Jones said:
The winner of this thread is LoPo in a K.O.

Y'all are trolled like newbs.
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Its the off-season... No one here is getting trolled, just bored and we have food to feed him.

Unless you are the one trolling us.... then mind blown.... Just kidding that is also a safe assumption.
 
Broncster said:
Its the off-season... No one here is getting trolled, just bored and we have food to feed him.

Unless you are the one trolling us.... then mind blown.... Just kidding that is also a safe assumption.
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Haha.. Nah, just kind of wandering around threads trying to stir up some **** < action.
 
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fishonjazz said:
And sucked donkey balls. I'm mean really really sucked hard. (Big part of the reason favors got so much playing time)

The whole point is that first it was said that millsap was more clutch than favors. He was proven not to be.

Then it was said that millsap gets it done in the playoffs. Another lie.
Then I showed that a 20 year old favors outplayed 26 year old millsap. In the same playoff series. Better scoring (on better percentages), better rebounding better passing.

Funny how you have to keep coming up with reasons and excuses for why favors keeps statistically outperforming the much older millsap.

I expect nothing less from you.
Dig them heels in bro. Don't give an inch. Stand your ground.
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Please read. I was not the one talking about clutch. I did say he was relied on to have the ball at the end of games and defend LBJ at the end of games. The clutch conversation didn't come from me.

Your point about 20 year old Favors is 5 years old and irrelevant. Different roles, teams, everything

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LoPo said:
Please read. I was not the one talking about clutch. I did say he was relied on to have the ball at the end of games and defend LBJ at the end of games. The clutch conversation didn't come from me.

Your point about 20 year old Favors is 5 years old and irrelevant. Different roles, teams, everything

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We were talking about the playoffs. I brought up the playoffs.
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fishonjazz said:
We were talking about the playoffs. I brought up the playoffs.
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So Tim Duncan had an incredible playoffs 5 years ago. Using your logic, we should trade everything for him. Since we are talking playoffs....

Fish - quit trying to argue just to argue. We have different opinions. That's okay. I prefer 2 years of Millsap and relinquish to Lyles. You prefer Favors over the long haul. Either would probably max us as a 2nd round team.

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LoPo said:
So Tim Duncan had an incredible playoffs 5 years ago. Using your logic, we should trade everything for him. Since we are talking playoffs....

Fish - quit trying to argue just to argue. We have different opinions. That's okay. I prefer 2 years of Millsap and relinquish to Lyles. You prefer Favors over the long haul. Either would probably max us as a 2nd round team.

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Your logic was that millsap shows up in the playoffs when it counts.

Look up the stats. Look it up for when he was with the jazz. Look up it up from his playoffs years with the hawks. I don't care, you choose.

Millsap gets much much worse in the playoffs when it counts.

It's ok to sometimes just say "I was wrong about millsaps performance in the playoffs but its still my opinion that he is better than favors and I would still trade favors for him."

I'm fine with you having that opinion but when you talk about the reason for that opinion having a lot to do with millsaps greatness in the playoffs, well then I'm just going to let you know that he has been pretty crappy in his playoff career.
 
LoPo said:
Whether Hayward supposedly wants better talent around him or not, we are in win now mode. We have a very talented roster which is still a little too green or raw to be feared by the true contenders. I feel like we lack another All Star quality player who has the utmost respect from his peers. We need a fighter. I honestly think the following trade puts us in the conversation:

Favors, Burke, the 2017 GS 1st rounder and 2 2017 2nd rounders
For
Millsap and Korver

Why for Atlanta: If they cannot resign Horford, they will rebuild. Keeping Millsap and Korver is a luxury they don't need. Favors is younger than Millsap and played his college ball in the Atlanta area. Korver is great for Atl, but he's an expiring contract on a rebuilder and needs players around him to excel. Burke is worth one year for Atlanta since they just dumped Teague. They have nothing to lose by giving him a shot as PG depth.

Why for Utah: Millsap is a warrior. The guy can lierally do it all. He's 2nd team All Defense, but he can also shoot the 3, post up and pass as well as any big in the league. Favors good, but Millsap is better. Also, many have questions about Favors and Gobert fitting together long term whereas Millsap and Gobert are a perfect match. You couldn't ask for a better PF to pair with Gobert. Korver is a specialist and addresses the major shooting weakness we have. The veteran leadership Millsap and Korver provide is an intangible this club sorely needs. Additionally, Millsap is a perfect mentor for Lyles and even Bolomboy. Korver for Good and Burks. Their contacts get us to the salary floor. We are contenders after this trade. I really believe that.

Lineups:
PG Exum, Hill, Mack, Neto
SG Hood, Burks, Hill
SF Hayward, Korver, Ingles
PF Millsap, Lyles, Bolomboy
C Gobert, Free Agent, Withey

Jazz Death Lineup:
PG Exum
SG Hood
SF Korver
PF Hayward
C Millsap





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Not trying to be rude, but you should not attempt to think of "good ideas" anymore. Look sweetheart you either have it or your don't. You clearly don't have much in terms of "ideas" going on up there at all. I'm honestly not trying to be harsh, but your really long post about the benefits of Millsap and Korver is like listening to a 1909 documentary about how the Titanic is unsinkable. In other words, you don't have to tell most of us about what it would be like with Millsap and Korver were on the team. The last time they were on the team, we were there. Its not hard to remember yesterday, never the less think about 2 members of the team from 4 years ago being on the team today and thinking of what we could have. Your talking to a board of NBA fans not a board of alzheimer's patients. Originality will never be found in a genius' garbage of yesterday, let alone his garbage of 3 years ago.
 
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