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Joe Johnson Coming to Utah

fishonjazz said:
I would rather have affalo. Still like the jj pick up lots though.
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Bawse Dawg said:
Nah id rather have that deal for Afflalo. Still like the JJ move though.
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That's very good value on Affalo, & all things equal I'd prefer him due to age, but I think Johnson is definitely the better fit for this roster. Not only is he a true veteran, he is better at creating his own shot, & has a long history of performing in the clutch. All advantages that he has over Affalo & qualities that this team clearly needed more of.
 
karl malone said:
That's very good value on Affalo, & all things equal I'd prefer him due to age, but I think Johnson is definitely the better fit for this roster. Not only is he a true veteran, he is better at creating his own shot, & has a long history of performing in the clutch. All advantages that he has over Affalo & qualities that this team clearly needed more of.
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The only thing I see about JJ being a better fit is his size.
 
Joe Johnson:
1.09 PPP on Spot-Ups (81.3 Percentile)
0.88 PPP as PNR Ball-Handler (77.9 Percentile)
1.03 PPP in Isolation (90.4 Percentile)
1.50 PPP in Transition (98.1 Percentile)
1.15 PPP on Post-Ups (96.9 Percentile)

Arron Afflalo:
1.03 PPP on Spot-Ups (71.1 Percentile)
0.73 PPP as PNR Ball-Handler (39.0 Percentile)
1.04 PPP in Isolation (91.8 Percentile)
1.03 PPP in Transition (33.0 Percentile)
1.03 PPP on Post-Ups (90.1 Percentile)
 
King Cy said:
The only thing I see about JJ being a better fit is his size.
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IMO the biggest weaknesses of this team is/was lack of playoff experience, the offense's tendency to go stagnant for long stretches, & closing out games.

Affalo has 35 career playoff games, 19 of which he started.

Johnson has 101 career playoff games, 95 of which he started.

I admittedly haven't watched enough of Affalo recently to say for sure but I would be surprised if he is better in isolation or the clutch than Johnson is. I could be wrong though as I don't have stats to back up these claims, just going off of my personal knowledge of the 2 players.
 
MDAV28 said:
Joe Johnson:
1.09 PPP on Spot-Ups (81.3 Percentile)
0.88 PPP as PNR Ball-Handler (77.9 Percentile)
1.03 PPP in Isolation (90.4 Percentile)
1.50 PPP in Transition (98.1 Percentile)
1.15 PPP on Post-Ups (96.9 Percentile)

Arron Afflalo:
1.03 PPP on Spot-Ups (71.1 Percentile)
0.73 PPP as PNR Ball-Handler (39.0 Percentile)
1.04 PPP in Isolation (91.8 Percentile)
1.03 PPP in Transition (33.0 Percentile)
1.03 PPP on Post-Ups (90.1 Percentile)
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Thank you for looking this up, guess I was wrong about Johnson being better in isolation
 
MDAV28 said:
Joe Johnson:
1.09 PPP on Spot-Ups (81.3 Percentile)
0.88 PPP as PNR Ball-Handler (77.9 Percentile)
1.03 PPP in Isolation (90.4 Percentile)
1.50 PPP in Transition (98.1 Percentile)
1.15 PPP on Post-Ups (96.9 Percentile)

Arron Afflalo:
1.03 PPP on Spot-Ups (71.1 Percentile)
0.73 PPP as PNR Ball-Handler (39.0 Percentile)
1.04 PPP in Isolation (91.8 Percentile)
1.03 PPP in Transition (33.0 Percentile)
1.03 PPP on Post-Ups (90.1 Percentile)
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Looks like jj is probably the better scorer. (I figured as much)
I feel that affalo is the better player though. (Always seemed to be a good defender)
It's close though
 
fishonjazz said:
Looks like jj is probably the better scorer. (I figured as much)
I feel that affalo is the better player though.
It's close though
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I feel like the biggest difference is that "Iso-Joe" actually does a pretty good job in the PNR and creating for teammates. I'm a fan of JJ for us but I agree it isn't a landslide.
 
dalamon said:
Yup. I'd say one more energy/hustle player if we aren't high on Bolomboy. 2017 has always been the "all in" season IMO.

With the Suns as presently constituted maybe we could snipe Tucker for a 2nd rounder? PG depth is now sound, Withey can spot for Rudy (and we have Pleiss too). We still need that Trevor Booker replacement maybe.
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Lyles replaces Booker. Trey is now going to get big minutes. I think DL would like to upgrade behind Gobert, but probably can't. But yes, Utah could use a 4th big to play 10-15 mins. And if Gobert, Favors or Lyles goes down, there isn't depth. Of course, Quin could also go small and have Hayward slide over when needed.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZpgs8c5mcA

So modern Joe Johnson basically plays exactly like Rodney Hood with the occasional Gordon Hayward push off.
 
Both Afflalo and Johnson can both hit the three and can both defend. Johnson is a better fit because of his size. Afflalo is a 2 who can play some three. The Jazz essentially have 5 rotation players who play guard. There simply isn't a place for guards on this team. The needed a big forward who could hit the three. It's a bonus that Johnson is a much better passer/playmaker. Age doesn't matter much because the contract is just two years.
 
If Affallo is better, it would certainly have to be in a well disguised way.

Afflalo PER: 10.9
Afflalo RPM: -3.25

Johnson PER: 12.01
Johnson RPM: 0.56
 
Jazz4ever said:
If Affallo is better, it would certainly have to be in a well disguised way.

Afflalo PER: 10.9
Afflalo RPM: -3.25

Johnson PER: 12.01
Johnson RPM: 0.56
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Im sure a lot of that is Johnson having the good fortune of going to Miami and playing on a good team.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
LOL A signingof a washup player is going boost the Jazz to a 5th seed. Dude is smoking crack. Vet leadership but JJ is only a fraction of himself these days. Yall bash Lakers for Deng but Joe Johnson pushing Utah over the top. Laugh
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When Rudy was healthy last year we were on a 48 win pace. Add in a healthy Favors, Exum, and Burks, and replace Shelvin Mack, Joe Ingles, Chris Johnson, and Raul Neto with George Hill, JJ, and Dante Exum, and it's really not that hard to see.


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As far as performance in the clutch, last season in 5-point games in the last 2 minutes:

Joe Johnson:
13 for 41 (31.7%), 5 for 17 from 3 (29.4%)

Arron Aflalo:
13 for 37 (35.1%), 3 for 15 from 3 (20.0%)

For comparison...

Gordon Hayward:
16 for 37 (43.2%), 2 for 10 from 3 (20.0%)

Rodney Hood:
15 for 49 (30.6%), 7 for 26 from 3 (26.9%)
 
MDAV28 said:
As far as performance in the clutch, last season in 5-point games in the last 2 minutes:

Joe Johnson:
13 for 41 (31.7%), 5 for 17 from 3 (29.4%)

Arron Aflalo:
13 for 37 (35.1%), 3 for 15 from 3 (20.0%)

For comparison...

Gordon Hayward:
16 for 37 (43.2%), 2 for 10 from 3 (20.0%)

Rodney Hood:
15 for 49 (30.6%), 7 for 26 from 3 (26.9%)
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Guess I was wrong about that too, still prefer the ball in his hands at the end of the game though
 
I've struggled with Neto/Mack decision but I'm starting to lean towards keeping Neto. Let Mack and Burke bounce. And for the love of god do whatever it takes to get Bolomboy on the active roster. He's my new obsession.
 
jazzman12 said:
I've struggled with Neto/Mack decision but I'm starting to lean towards keeping Neto. Let Mack and Burke bounce. And for the love of god do whatever it takes to get Bolomboy on the active roster. He's my new obsession.
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Agree with both points. (Keep neto. Keep bolomboy)
 
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