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Durant's decision has all but assured a long-term lockout

GVC said:
Why? You dont think people will recognize the ridiculous recent team sale prices?
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Nope. Players salaries are much easier to find on the interweb. Plus, When owners say " it's business" fans believe them. When players say it, fans loathe them.

NBA is making more money than ever, yet it feels like it is on the verge of imploding.
 
Hearsky said:
So, let me get this straight.....we hate athletes that are greedy. But once they sacrifice money for winning, we hate them for wanting a ring? Got it. And don't even f******* start on me about loyalty. Ask Seattle about Clay Bennet's loyalty.
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Fans don't cheer for owners much, there is no emotional attachment. So one owner moved one team,and no one outside Seattle noticed, but 25-26 fan bases notice when player after player moves on.

And no, average Joe doesn't see it as much of a "Sacrifice" for Durrant to sign for 54 million instead of 57 million.
 
Owners could care less about supposed "super teams". They care about money, and right now EVERYONE is making a ton of it. They aren't going to stop the cash flow because a few fans are upset over one star's decision. And neither are the players. Could some sort of lockout happen? Yeah, it will eventually happen at some point. It's inevitable. Sooner or later someone will want a bigger piece of the pie. But "super teams" won't be the issue to bring on a lockout. Money will.
 
Just do a player ratings cap instead of salary cap.

100 points max per team.

Lebron, KD, and Stpeh types rated a 70ish. Hayward like 37 or something. JR Smith 15. Chris Paul 52. Kanter -10. etc..

Just come up with a way to rate them, and boom, problem solved.
 
Does anyone else here also think that the Warriors might even regress despite signing Durant? I think it is clearly unsustainable for Curry to keep performing at such high level. Thompson may have peaked; he is a great outside shooter, with great size for his position but seems like a subpar ball-handler, which means he can't do much more than he is being doing.

Throught his career, the bulk of Durant's FG attemps have come from outside - 22.4% of them between 16 feet and the 3 point line; and 24.6% of them from behind the 3 point line (per basketballreference.com). Durant's tendency to shoot from outside increased during the previous two seasons - around 16% of his shots being long 2s and 34% being 3s during each of them - which means he is somewhat redundant with Curry and Thompson offensively. Somewhat. For their new offense to work, I think Durant will have to work more often somewhat closer to the basket. He has the lenght to do it, but doesn't have the bulk. Will he accept it? And if he does, will his body hold up?

Chemistry problems also might arise with so many scorers in the same team. All looks fine now, but once the season starts, there may not be enough shots to keep everyone happy.

Besides, the Warriors' lack of interior defense - which have been exposed badly by the Cavs during the finals - got even more serious, as they basically swapped a good inside defender (Bogut) with a subpar one (Pachulia).

In other words, the Warriors plan to put together a super team might not work out at all.
 
Hack said:
Just do a player ratings cap instead of salary cap.

100 points max per team.

Lebron, KD, and Stpeh types rated a 70ish. Hayward like 37 or something. JR Smith 15. Chris Paul 52. Kanter -10. etc..

Just come up with a way to rate them, and boom, problem solved.
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So basically we should use Fan Duel or Draft Kings to assemble real NBA teams?
 
ghsartin said:
Does anyone else here also think that the Warriors might even regress despite signing Durant? I think it is clearly unsustainable for Curry to keep performing at such high level. Thompson may have peaked; he is a great outside shooter, with great size for his position but seems like a subpar ball-handler, which means he can't do much more than he is being doing.

Throught his career, the bulk of Durant's FG attemps have come from outside - 22.4% of them between 16 feet and the 3 point line; and 24.6% of them from behind the 3 point line (per basketballreference.com). Durant's tendency to shoot from outside increased during the previous two seasons - around 16% of his shots being long 2s and 34% being 3s during each of them - which means he is somewhat redundant with Curry and Thompson offensively. Somewhat. For their new offense to work, I think Durant will have to work more often somewhat closer to the basket. He has the lenght to do it, but doesn't have the bulk. Will he accept it? And if he does, will his body hold up?

Chemistry problems also might arise with so many scorers in the same team. All looks fine now, but once the season starts, there may not be enough shots to keep everyone happy.

Besides, the Warriors' lack of interior defense - which have been exposed badly by the Cavs during the finals - got even more serious, as they basically swapped a good inside defender (Bogut) with a subpar one (Pachulia).

In other words, the Warriors plan to put together a super team might not work out at all.
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Yeah it could definitely backfire. The Warriors were great last season because of depth. With Durant's massive contract on the books they are going to lose key pieces of depth unless players are willing to take the minimum. It also does nothing to solve the interior defense and rebounding issues, probably makes them worse as you mentioned. I think Durant was better off staying with the Thunder to be honest.
 
Wasn't there an OKC douche here that was giving us a hard time with the Kanter drama? I'd like to tell him a few things...
 
Magic Spray said:
This should guarantee that 28 of the owners are going to vote to opt out of the CBA in 2017. They are going to try to put an end to super teams. Imagine how butt hurt all the teams that tried to build a contender with all the off season huge contracts only to have it snatched out of their hands and shoved up their asses.

Inb4 remember the 2004 Pistons.
Inb4 you still have to play the games.

However joyful it is for me to envision Kanter basically joining Guns n' Roses the day before Slash and Duff quit and Axl got fat, however much pleasure I get from thinking of those douch canoe owners that promised Seattle they woildn't move and then almost immediately they started packing up, it doesn't compare with the feeling that this is bad for basketball, and this is bad for the Jazz.

Owners are going to try to get the players over a barrel by ****ing with their money, it's the only way And it will mean an entire season or more gonzo.
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I disagree. Completely.
 
I thought Barkley's comments were interesting:

Barkley doesn’t like this whole process. “We’re gonna have guys on bad teams making $25 million a year. And we’re going to have three or four competitive teams,” Barkley said. “That’s the negative of LeBron going to Miami, KD going to Golden State. “First of all the fans love their teams, they love sports. But they’re not going to go see Sacramento, Indiana, Miami, these bad teams where guys are making 10, 20, 30 million dollars a year and they don’t have a chance to compete. I mean, that’s where we’re going. We’re going to kill the golden goose. Everybody’s going to be making a lot of money, but other than five teams we’re going to be putting a shabby product out there. That’s what’s going to kill the NBA in the next few years in my opinion.” – via ESPN.com

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/...-thinks-stars-kevin-durant-cheating-get-title
 
The next Spurs needs to emerge. Small market team with a process better than the one in Philly. Just win baby. Utah has a chance to be that team. . . we'll just have to see how they progress this year.
 
SCS said:
Yeah it could definitely backfire. The Warriors were great last season because of depth. With Durant's massive contract on the books they are going to lose key pieces of depth unless players are willing to take the minimum. It also does nothing to solve the interior defense and rebounding issues, probably makes them worse as you mentioned. I think Durant was better off staying with the Thunder to be honest.
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I see Klay Thompson's declaration (bellow) as an very early sign of unrest. The Warriors are going to be good, of course, but their team had some special balance that may have been lost. Besides, it won't be easy finding shots for everyone.

"I feel kind of disrespected that people keep using the term sacrifice to describe me and describe us. We all want to see each other do well. But I’m not sacrificing [expletive], because my game isn’t changing. I’m still going to try to get buckets, hit shots, come off screens. I want to win and have a fun time every game we play."
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Source: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/klay-thompson-kevin-durant-warriors-golden-state-nba
 
ghsartin said:
I see Klay Thompson's declaration (bellow) as an very early sign of unrest. The Warriors are going to be good, of course, but their team had some special balance that may have been lost. Besides, it won't be easy finding shots for everyone.



Source: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/klay-thompson-kevin-durant-warriors-golden-state-nba
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Thompson's game really isnt going to change though. If he is open he is going to shoot it. If he isn't he is going to pass it and run around and get the ball again until he is open enough to shoot it. He will probably just get less shots.
 
the point is he's thinking about it and isn't happy that his role may possibly be threatened before the season has even started.
 
In the years past, the Players association has theoretically owned the rights to the CBA. In past years, they needed to speak up voice their opinion to get paid more, or else they would've got screwed. The problem is not they are seeing a more than healthy paycheck, but we have already given them the expectation that they will earn what ever they fight for. Regardless that guys like Timofey Mozgov have signed for a 4 year $64 million contract. You can put your money on, the players will still want more. I personally would like to see the NBA game recieve from focus from guys that arent about to recieve a contract and that are playing just for the chance of playing and getting signed.
 
I havent heard any real rumors about a lock out, but I wouldnt be shocked. It really comes down to if the owners are content making more money from the NBA than they ever have before, OR if they want to make it so that each team can build a championship caliber team.
I know there have been several different teams that have won the championship the past ten years, so there is more parody than we may initially think, but it does seem to revolve around super star teams.

If they really wanna end super teams get rid of the max contract
 
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