Baton Rouge Police Killing a 37-year-old black man at point blank range

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Where are you getting information that his license plate matched one from the robbery? The only thing about a license plate match I can find is about whether an audio of the police saying they were going to pull the car over matched the car. That was in an effort to prove the audio was valid. Nothing to do with a license plate from the robbery.

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Here's one instance of the license plate information directly from the Snopes report that you posted.

Although the KARE report noted that the audio was provided by a viewer and had not been authenticated by officials, the license plate number mentioned in the audio did match Castile's car, and an alert had been issued about an armed robbery that occurred a few days before the shooting.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I know whose alt you are to because I am not stupid an plus I am a world class hacker. I know where you live where you work an all your other 33 accounts.

An yes I knew you were trolling playing opposite side like Cy but I was the captain driving that ship Mr Gumshoe. Pat yerself on the back harder. I will play caricature of [MENTION=639]Joe Bagadonuts[/MENTION] an [MENTION=430]Dr. Jones[/MENTION] next.

Wrong on all counts.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I read the conservative treehouse report. There are so many half truths in it or things designed to manipulate the reader I can't trust any information they put for because it's clear they aren't concerned with proper reporting and just feeding their readership base.

I was completely unfamiliar with the site before this exchange, but in this case the relevant information appears to be authentic. Do you have any indication (other than not liking the source) that it isn't?

 

[babe]

Read it again [MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION]. I said they are harbouring a environment of hate conducive to violence an rioting. There is no doubt on that front. I blame the media for creating these mass murdering monsters by glorifying them. I blame the people who jump to conclusions for fostering violence.

Then again, I am a adult an I speculate most posters on a sports forum are teens. They are prone to jump to conclusions an pass the buck.

I think there's miscommunication on all sides of most hot button topics. I think it's fair to assume the better in others unless you actually know the contrary. It's speculation about what even Obama and Hillary intend to produce with their remarks in support of or justifying, say the BLM movement. I think the BLM is the work of mercenary agitators seeking to push an Agenda that has no actual caring for Black Lives. If they cared for Black folk, they would not inflame the issue and induce hotheads to do stunts like riots. What the purpose is can only be understood in terms of revamped "Marxist" strategies for gaining leverage on a people or a nation. You promote the division, the hate, and then you "solve" it with your political tools. . . . more government, always

If you care about people you teach them non-violent tactics, like Gandhi or MLK. You win your case with higher moral principles. You win friends and gain respect.

 

[The Midnight]

I think there's miscommunication on all sides of most hot button topics. I think it's fair to assume the better in others unless you actually know the contrary. It's speculation about what even Obama and Hillary intend to produce with their remarks in support of or justifying, say the BLM movement. I think the BLM is the work of mercenary agitators seeking to push an Agenda that has no actual caring for Black Lives. If they cared for Black folk, they would not inflame the issue and induce hotheads to do stunts like riots. What the purpose is can only be understood in terms of revamped "Marxist" strategies for gaining leverage on a people or a nation. You promote the division, the hate, and then you "solve" it with your political tools. . . . more government, always

If you care about people you teach them non-violent tactics, like Gandhi or MLK. You win your case with higher moral principles. You win friends and gain respect.

Agreed... these police offers being killed sort of lessen the impact of the 2 black deaths somewhat and the issue is now muddied with no clear outcome or solution.

 

[♪alt13]

So i tried to upload an picture from the washington post showing the statistics for police shooting so far this year but i am unable to load it.
Anywho... There were 509 police shootings that resulted in civilian deaths from the start of this year up until july.
484 were male. 25 female. 238 were white. 123 were black. 79 hispanic. 46 unknown. 23 other race. 282 of the victims had a gun on them. 88 had knife. 35 were in a vehicle as their "weapon". 22 had a toy weapon. 35 were unarmed. 27 unknown. 20 other. 385 showed no signs or had history of mental illness. 124 of them did.

So the most common person shot by a policeman is a white male with no mental problems carrying a gun.

I found that to be interesting.

So almost 25% of people shot by cops are black despite blacks only being 13% of thee population. Whites account for 77% of the population, non-hispanic whites 66%. Whichever way you look at it the 46% of police shootings that happen to whites is far less than their share of the population.

 

[♪alt13]

Oh my god, where do some of you get your "facts"?
"...black people commit a huge amount of the crimes compared to whites..."
"..blacks are about 10 times more likely to commit murder than whites..."
(yes, in this category, they are arrested a bit more frequently, but it's closer to a 1-1 ratio than anything)

View attachment 4867(click on the image for an enlarged view)

Here's a link to a chart from the FBI on arrest statistics by race
(for 2013, most recent available I guess)
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

It shows that of all arrests for all crimes, approx. 69% are white and 28% are black and 3% other
(Hispanic is not listed as a race but as an ethnicity, if you go to the link and scroll to the left, it shows that approximately 16.6% are Hispanic/Latino and 83.4% are non-Hispanic/non-Latino. )
The image above breaks it down by type of crime.

Here's a link to the overview for all the statistical tables (they're also by geographical area, by population density and other categories):
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/persons-arrested/persons-arrested


also note:






The US population is about 62% white, 12% black, 18% Hispanic, 6% Asian, 1% Native Amer., 2% 2 or more races

https://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/#table
This Census Bureau LINK explains how race is defined.

The USDOJ

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
Trends by race are detailed starting at page 11

According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher

I can find you the same statistics from the FBI if you want.

 

[fishonjazz]

So almost 25% of people shot by cops are black despite blacks only being 13% of thee population. Whites account for 77% of the population, non-hispanic whites 66%. Whichever way you look at it the 46% of police shootings that happen to whites is far less than their share of the population.

Yep. I was the first one to point this out. (The population disparity)

Kind of weird that I have not seen any media coverage about any white, Hispanic, Asian or any other race getting shot by police. No protests or rallys for any other races.
From media coverage you would think that black people are the ONLY people that get shot or abused by police.

I also never hear any media coverage about how there are not enough mexican, asian, Polynesian coaches.
I never really see any other race besides black people talking about inequality.... There has to be native Americans and mexican Americans that are not being treated as equals and are upset about it too right?
I wonder why there is little to no media coverage about them?

 

[fishonjazz]

Agreed... these police offers being killed sort of lessen the impact of the 2 black deaths somewhat and the issue is now muddied with no clear outcome or solution.

Good point

 

[♪alt13]

Yep. I was the first one to point this out. (The population disparity)

Kind of weird that I have not seen any media coverage about any white, Hispanic, Asian or any other race getting shot by police. No protests or rallys for any other races.
From media coverage you would think that black people are the ONLY people that get shot or abused by police.

I also never hear any media coverage about how there are not enough mexican, asian, Polynesian coaches.
I never really see any other race besides black people talking about inequality.... There has to be native Americans and mexican Americans that are not being treated as equals and are upset about it too right?
I wonder why there is little to no media coverage about them?

You may have pointed it out but you still missed the point.

 

[fishonjazz]

You may have pointed it out but you still missed the point.

I didn't miss the point at all. I totally understand that blacks get ****ed with by the cops at a higher rate than whites. This seems obvious.
I was just surprised at how many whites get shot and killed by police since I never hear about those deaths.

 

[moevillini]

The USDOJ

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
Trends by race are detailed starting at page 11



I can find you the same statistics from the FBI if you want.

You're right. I was going by raw numbers without considering what percent of the total population each group represents. I don't recall how the post I was replying to was worded, if it was an absolute or relative number. My stats assume it referenced an absolute number.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[♪alt13]

I didn't miss the point at all. I totally understand that blacks get ****ed with by the cops at a higher rate than whites. This seems obvious.
I was just surprised at how many whites get shot and killed by police since I never hear about those deaths.

Because generally speaking the police aren't shooting 12 yr old white boys with toy guns, choking 50 year old white men to death, pinning white dudes down and unloading 5 shots at point blank range. The level of aggression is much higher toward blacks than it is to whites. Anyone that refuses to see that there is a substantial racial component to these shootings is actively filtering out truth. Police are too trigger happy all around imo but clearly the problem of how the police interact with blacks is a problem of a different scale.

 

[babe]

So almost 25% of people shot by cops are black despite blacks only being 13% of thee population. Whites account for 77% of the population, non-hispanic whites 66%. Whichever way you look at it the 46% of police shootings that happen to whites is far less than their share of the population.

No race has any "share" of police interest or action.

That kind of talk is inflammatory and does no service to blacks, perhaps tending to incite black violence against cops.

police should be enforcing the laws. Even Hillary and Obama should be subject to law, and charges brought against them when they break it. Nobody is above the principle of equal justice under the law.

 

[Hotdog]

Because generally speaking the police aren't shooting 12 yr old white boys with toy guns, choking 50 year old white men to death, pinning white dudes down and unloading 5 shots at point blank range. The level of aggression is much higher toward blacks than it is to whites. Anyone that refuses to see that there is a substantial racial component to these shootings is actively filtering out truth. Police are too trigger happy all around imo but clearly the problem of how the police interact with blacks is a problem of a different scale.

Haha. Wut?

Lets back up.

So far this year. 509 deaths of civilians as a result of the police killing them. 238 were white, 123 were black.

Those white people still died. How are deaths any different than the deaths of the black people? Did the cops do it in a nicer way to the white people? Was it not just as horific as the how the black people died? I fail to see your point with his post.

Again, 238 white people died by police force. How is the death of the white people any different from the black people.

There is no difference. Its the same scenario. Idiots who do stupid stuff when interacting with the police.

But for some stupid *** reason we all have to sit hear and listen to how unfairly black people are treated. Again, 238 white people as compared to 123 black people.

Black people arent being picked on. They are just crying about it more. Probabaly because they are being enabled by people like you and the liberal media.

 

[babe]

Because generally speaking the police aren't shooting 12 yr old white boys with toy guns, choking 50 year old white men to death, pinning white dudes down and unloading 5 shots at point blank range. The level of aggression is much higher toward blacks than it is to whites. Anyone that refuses to see that there is a substantial racial component to these shootings is actively filtering out truth. Police are too trigger happy all around imo but clearly the problem of how the police interact with blacks is a problem of a different scale.

Police don't go around looking for boys with toy guns. Black or white. Maybe boys shouldn't be using toy guns while committing crimes or deliberately using them to project some kind of defiance. . . .

So whites have a little more good sense??? Is that your beef? Do you have any statistics on how the use of toy guns varies with race? If you don't, you are lacking a relevant factor in the stats, if toy guns are the reason kids get shot by cops.

So your logic is baseless, but it is also inflammatory and can be used to incite violent resistance to lawful police doing their lawful duties.

Well, I'm laughing at you. Useless rhetoric. But I hear that school teachers are the ones who look for boys carrying toy guns, and they call the cops to come haze them and charge them as criminals. It's the schools that are the racists, then, if more black boys are being reported for their toy guns.

 

[♪alt13]

No race has any "share" of police interest or action.

That kind of talk is inflammatory and does no service to blacks, perhaps tending to incite black violence against cops.

police should be enforcing the laws. Even Hillary and Obama should be subject to law, and charges brought against them when they break it. Nobody is above the principle of equal justice under the law.

Don't speak about principles if you're going to ignore practice. Blacks do not enjoy equal justice under the law. They are more likely to be imprisoned for the same crimes, their sentences harsher. That's the truth.

Haha. Wut?

Lets back up.

So far this year. 509 deaths of civilians as a result of the police killing them. 238 were white, 123 were black.

Those white people still died. How are deaths any different than the deaths of the black people? Did the cops do it in a nicer way to the white people? Was it not just as horific as the how the black people died? I fail to see your point with his post.

Again, 238 white people died by police force. How is the death of the white people any different from the black people.

There is no difference. Its the same scenario. Idiots who do stupid stuff when interacting with the police.

But for some stupid *** reason we all have to sit hear and listen to how unfairly black people are treated. Again, 238 white people as compared to 123 black people.

Black people arent being picked on. They are just crying about it more. Probabaly because they are being enabled by people like you and the liberal media.

If there wasn't a racial component then you should expect that when the police shoot 500 people 385 would be white, 330 of which should be non hispanic white,and only 60 black. There's a huge statistical disparity. That's clear evidence that race is an issue. Deal with it.

Idiots like you(hack) should be ignored. We can't get close to a dialogue about solutions because we can't even have a discussion about causes because assholes like yourself deny the basic facts.

 

[♪alt13]

No race has any "share" of police interest or action.

That kind of talk is inflammatory and does no service to blacks, perhaps tending to incite black violence against cops.

police should be enforcing the laws. Even Hillary and Obama should be subject to law, and charges brought against them when they break it. Nobody is above the principle of equal justice under the law.

Police don't go around looking for boys with toy guns. Black or white. Maybe boys shouldn't be using toy guns while committing crimes or deliberately using them to project some kind of defiance. . . .

So whites have a little more good sense??? Is that your beef? Do you have any statistics on how the use of toy guns varies with race? If you don't, you are lacking a relevant factor in the stats, if toy guns are the reason kids get shot by cops.

So your logic is baseless, but it is also inflammatory and can be used to incite violent resistance to lawful police doing their lawful duties.

Well, I'm laughing at you. Useless rhetoric. But I hear that school teachers are the ones who look for boys carrying toy guns, and they call the cops to come haze them and charge them as criminals. It's the schools that are the racists, then, if more black boys are being reported for their toy guns.

It's funny that you are all of the sudden anti toy gun when a black 12 year old boy is shot by police in a park but you can rant about a ******* conspiracy theory when a middle aged white man with a real gun is shot by police after taking over a building by pointing guns at unarmed government employees. I wish I could laugh at you but I'm honestly just disgusted.

 

[Hotdog]

Don't speak about principles if you're going to ignore practice. Blacks do not enjoy equal justice under the law. They are more likely to be imprisoned for the same crimes, their sentences harsher. That's the truth.




If there wasn't a racial component then you should expect that when the police shoot 500 people 385 would be white, 330 of which should be non hispanic white,and only 60 black. There's a huge statistical disparity. That's clear evidence that race is an issue. Deal with it.

Idiots like you(hack) should be ignored. We can't get close to a dialogue about solutions because we can't even have a discussion about causes because assholes like yourself deny the basic facts.

Your post that I responded to was about HOW the police were killing black people. Remember, choking, kids with guns, etc..?
I was pointing out that it didnt make any sense. Death is death. Im sure all the white people died just as bad as all the black people.

On the topic of the percentage compared to population, its not enough of a disparity to be crying foul. Maybe black people are just a little more likely resist arrest? Maybe it has something to do with gangster culture? How many rap song are out there talking crap about cops and killing them? You dont think that influences how black people think if they listen to that music? You dont think that those words might just represent the mentality of black people? Are you going to try and tell me that not that many black people listen to rap? Just saying, its right out there in the open. Its not like its some big secret. I know that it doesnt effect all black people, obviously, or else the numbers would be even higher. But the attitude and culture obviously has an effect on how they deal with cops. I would be willing to bet that a lot of those white people killed were wanna be gangster types buying into the same culture too. Try and tell me Im wrong about that one.

Please pull your white guilt liberal head out of your *** asap. Cops are dying.

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[JazzGal]

There are so many sides, as there is on so many of society's ills. My guess is that all sides have some elements of truth and a lot of misunderstanding. It would be great if everyone could expect that they would always be treated fairly and kindly.

It turns out I can't really do anything to change any of it, except for my own behavior. I've spent a lot of time this week examining my own biases and thought processes and have found a few areas that need improvement. Be the change you want to see, and all that.

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