Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Just curious as to how much money Stockton and Malone made. I know at one point Tag made more.
Would Hayward take less than the max?
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I will bet my life on it.
ghsartin
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I think any fan would be pissed off if the so-called "star" of his team averaged just 18-6-4 or something like it. A player with such averages is a secondary one, not a franchise player. Hence, a player like that is not worth the max. If you max a secondary player rather than a franchise player you might not have enough money left to build a good team.
karl malone
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The question isn't whether or not he's a max player, the market that has been established has made it clear that he is. The question is whether or not a team (especially a small market, non-championship contender such as Utah) can win a title with him on a max contract, which has yet to be determined (although I have my doubts unless it's alongside a superstar, which we currently don't have).
Yup
Okay. So the bet is that Hayward doesn't get a max offer. It includes the Jazz giving him as much or more than what would be a max offer from another team.
Agreed?
This is my exact problem with giving Hayward the max. If we give Hayward the max we lose multiple pieces of our core one way or another because of the financial ramifications. I would love someone to show me a model/plan going forward with Hayward on a max deal where we can win a championship. Project forward. Show me who we keep, who we lose. Go through the roster and tell me how it works financially and how we win. Go through our draft picks, finances, all of it. Of course some variables you can't project come into play sometimes, but this is what teams do. They map out a path going forward. If someone could map out a championship winning path with Hayward on the max I'd buy in. I'd drink the cool aid. But I don't to this point see a sustainable path to a championship paying the max to a third or fourth best option on a championship team when nobody else on the young core is locked up long-term, and we have no stand out star.
Jazz4ever
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ghsartin
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Qman, I understand you. We need to pay Hayward well for sure, but there's a risk of having the Kirilenko situation a second time. In other words, paying the max for a complementary player severely limits the team flexibility in terms of salary cap and hampers the signing of a player really worth the max. The result? The team end up with a bunch of overpaid complementary players and no franchise player at all, like Kirilenko, Deron, Boozer and Okur.
Whoever think Hayward would give a discount they are dreaming. He is as tight with money as they make. And there will be plenty of teams to offer him max.
I also don't see Favors giving a discount second time as well seeing that Hayward us unwilling to. As cap apparently goes up and then down Hayward's max might be due for extension in the worst possible time and I wouldn't be surprised if DL would let him walk or trade mid-season.
In my opinion Hayward is gone as likely as Burks due to they way the cap is projected if he becomes an unquestionable All-Star coming season.
I also don't see Favors giving a discount second time as well seeing that Hayward us unwilling to. As cap apparently goes up and then down Hayward's max might be due for extension in the worst possible time and I wouldn't be surprised if DL would let him walk or trade mid-season.
In my opinion Hayward is gone as likely as Burks due to they way the cap is projected if he becomes an unquestionable All-Star coming season.
Tom Pitt
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My whole thing is what can you do with 130 million that you can't do with 110 million?
framer
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People understand that not every team is going to have an extra 26 million to spend forever going forward, right? After next year not every above average player is going to get a max deal. Most teams, including the Jazz will have burned through their salary cap. In this situation, signed players will be a good plan, especially those that are worth their contracts. Hayward on a max contract is worth more than Hayward gone for nothing, especially as there will always be a trade partner for Hayward. He isn't a liability like Kanter. Get players on a deal if you can, if you can't pay them what they are worth. A player worth their contract will always be a strong asset.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Other than buying and extra one of these,
Or one of these,
Or one of these?
Probably a whole bunch of things.
max or he walks. I used to think that max contracts should be reserved for the 10 best players in the league;Curry, Lebron types. This year has proven that max contracts are for average players. Why would he take less than average players? Max contracts are no longer for the best players, it is for players you don't want to lose.
Hayward wont take less because all his life he has been fighting for respect that doesn't come easy. Money is the ultimate sign of respect. You can't expect someone to essentially admit they are not worthy of the respect they sought their entire life.
Hayward wont take less because all his life he has been fighting for respect that doesn't come easy. Money is the ultimate sign of respect. You can't expect someone to essentially admit they are not worthy of the respect they sought their entire life.
A fool and his money are soon parted. Hayward will have no less than 4 teams that offer him the max, I'm not saying it's right, but it will happen. The spending will still be stupid for a couple more years
Tom Pitt
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Other than buying and extra one of these,
Or one of these,
Or one of these?
Probably a whole bunch of things.
I get it. I'm not a very lavish human being. If I had millions I'd buy a nice home and travel a lot, but that's about it. I wouldn't buy a yacht or a jet. I guess I would buy an NBA team if I had the chance though, so I suppose I misspoke.
Invest it and generate an extra $1 million per year, forever.
https://www.thesimpledollar.com/a-reader-wants-to-know-how-to-invest-fifty-million-after-taxes/
Give that all to charity.
Or you could just gamble it away on a long shot chance to win an NBA championship.