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Republicans created Trump

Joe Bagadonuts said:
This has been discussed. Apparently it's not fair (though none of the people who think Republicans are trying to disenfranchise voters want to explain why).
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I thought a follow up question. Is there any point the deadbeat liberals stop whining about fairness an start earning there keep?

You cannot vote cause the worst possible of scenarios prevents you from balloting early or visiting the 16 hour voting day? So what.

Your job sucks so bad you cannot work harder an EARN a better job? So what.

That is like them who blame those who go to college for there Unsucces. Well guess what. When you were partying an they were working 80 hour weeks they got ahead. An know what? I am sure they DID NOT HAVE TIME TO VOTE EITHER.

Grow up liberal millenials. All you do is cry that everyone owes you something. Your ill upbringing is what owes you more. A spine an dignity.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You claim that every republican is against this and then I'm supposed to come up with a list of names? I think it's your job to support your statements.
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You also made a statement exclaiming doubt-- here's my case: if Republicans weren't against it, it would have already passed after the president & the Democratic party voiced their support on it. So clearly it wouldnt get past the Republicans which is why it hasn't gone down already. There's my logical deduction. Now, please mention some republican elected representatives who side with Obama on the importance of this holiday.

It appears to me that any citizen who wants to vote can vote.
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It appears to me, according to the media exposure I receive, that Americans are primarily stupid. Perspectives can be misleading, particularly when espousing them from positions of privilege.


You may see it as a strawman for me to suggest you're trying to make their vote mandatory, but to me it appears that the democratic
establishment cares more about the votes of the supposedly disenfranchised than the disenfranchised do.
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Umm how about letting the disenfranchised speak for themselves instead of making extrapolations on populations you don't understand or know.


Otherwise they would vote.
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Again, statements like these show that you really don't know what you're talking about. A quick google search will help you. Pull down the blinders. It's really really childish to assume that everything Republican is good, and everything Democrat is bad. The opposite is true, Trump is to the left of Hillary for trade & foreign policy

I have a feeling that if we did make it a holiday then people like you would be complaining that the poorest people are the most likely to have to work on the newly established holiday.
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So then you'd have to find a way to stop that, because employers can very much hold poor employees hostage like that.

But I don't blame you for wanting to compel these people to vote because I agree that they are likely to think that liberal programs will be helpful to them. I know you won't agree with me on this, but I think the evidence shows otherwise.
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I would want them to vote even if they voted Republican. Poor lower class white people vote Republican ALL the ****ing time-- and I'd die for their right to vote. See, you construct this agenda in your head, and you slant everything people say before even hearing the words come out of their mouth. It's only the major POC groups among lower classes that tend to flock to Democratic candidates. Expanding voting rights to the lower classes isn't partisan, it's a foundation of democracy. Any argument that you propose suggesting otherwise is fascist. Plain and simple.

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Again, I ask you-- what's the problem with making Election Day a national holiday? Since when is more democracy a bad thing?
 
dalamon said:
You also made a statement exclaiming doubt-- here's my case: if Republicans weren't against it, it would have already passed after the president & the Democratic party voiced their support on it. So clearly it wouldnt get past the Republicans which is why it hasn't gone down already. There's my logical deduction. Now, please mention some republican elected representatives who side with Obama on the importance of this holiday.



It appears to me, according to the media exposure I receive, that Americans are primarily stupid. Perspectives can be misleading, particularly when espousing them from positions of privilege.




Umm how about letting the disenfranchised speak for themselves instead of making extrapolations on populations you don't understand or know.




Again, statements like these show that you really don't know what you're talking about. A quick google search will help you. Pull down the blinders. It's really really childish to assume that everything Republican is good, and everything Democrat is bad. The opposite is true, Trump is to the left of Hillary for trade & foreign policy



So then you'd have to find a way to stop that, because employers can very much hold poor employees hostage like that.




I would want them to vote even if they voted Republican. Poor lower class white people vote Republican ALL the ****ing time-- and I'd die for their right to vote. See, you construct this agenda in your head, and you slant everything people say before even hearing the words come out of their mouth. It's only the major POC groups among lower classes that tend to flock to Democratic candidates. Expanding voting rights to the lower classes isn't partisan, it's a foundation of democracy. Any argument that you propose suggesting otherwise is fascist. Plain and simple.

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Again, I ask you-- what's the problem with making Election Day a national holiday? Since when is more democracy a bad thing?
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Obama has voiced support for a voting day holiday and therefore every republican is against it? You know that even without a vote? If there is so much support on the Dem side then why no vote?

I think we already have enough holidays and don't see any reason for a voting holiday. Voting does not take an entire day. It only takes a few hours (very worst case scenario) and the polls are open for most of the day. In addition there is always voting by mail. I've voted in elections where I was out of the country. It's not hard to vote if it's something you care about. Next you will say they need holidays for all of the primaries and any special elections. It will never end. I don't believe that anybody who wants to vote is currently being prevented from voting. If you can show me that they are then maybe I will have to rethink things. Choosing not to vote is not the same as being prevented from voting.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Obama has voiced support for a voting day holiday and therefore every republican is against it? You know that even without a vote? If there is so much support on the Dem side then why no vote?

I think we already have enough holidays and don't see any reason for a voting holiday. Voting does not take an entire day. It only takes a few hours (very worst case scenario) and the polls are open for most of the day. In addition there is always voting by mail. I've voted in elections where I was out of the country. It's not hard to vote if it's something you care about. Next you will say they need holidays for all of the primaries and any special elections. It will never end. I don't believe that anybody who wants to vote is currently being prevented from voting. If you can show me that they are then maybe I will have to rethink things. Choosing not to vote is not the same as being prevented from voting.
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So if you were in congress, and Bernie dropped another Democracy Day bill on your desk: One day holiday, making sure that working class people working 18 hours a day trying to overcome starvation wages (and avoiding getting fired). No strings attached, just one day holiday. Hell, make it on a Saturday or Sunday too.

Do you say yes, or no? And pretend I'm one of your working class constituents & tell me why you don't support making a single day a national holiday.
 
dalamon said:
So if you were in congress, and Bernie dropped another Democracy Day bill on your desk: One day holiday, making sure that working class people working 18 hours a day trying to overcome starvation wages (and avoiding getting fired). No strings attached, just one day holiday. Hell, make it on a Saturday or Sunday too.

Do you say yes, or no? And pretend I'm one of your working class constituents & tell me why you don't support making a single day a national holiday.
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"Here's a ballot. Mail it in at your convenience."
 
Boris said:
You aready know response. "Me me me me me! Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme! To lazy to try! Gimme gimme gimme!"
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I thought it was going to be something about people who are working 33 hours a day but are still so poor they don't have enough moisture on their tongue to lick a stamp.
 
dalamon said:
So if you were in congress, and Bernie dropped another Democracy Day bill on your desk: One day holiday, making sure that working class people working 18 hours a day trying to overcome starvation wages (and avoiding getting fired). No strings attached, just one day holiday. Hell, make it on a Saturday or Sunday too.

Do you say yes, or no? And pretend I'm one of your working class constituents & tell me why you don't support making a single day a national holiday.
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You're Canadian so who give a rat's *** what you think about American political procedure?
 
dalamon said:
It's very obvious that you don't give a **** about the disprivileged & have a very Calvinist perception of their misfortune. Nothing i say here, or no amount of objective evidence will change that
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You're wrong. You and I obviously don't agree on the solutions to most of the world's problems, but the fact that we don't see eye to eye doesn't mean that I don't care. I want everyone to be successful. I believe that one important step is for people to take personal responsibility. With regard to voting, the bar they must meet is already set very low. There's absolutely no need for a national holiday.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I thought it was going to be something about people who are working 33 hours a day but are still so poor they don't have enough moisture on their tongue to lick a stamp.
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People who work that hard do not need to vote. Know why? They work hard an do not need these bleeding hearts to save them from themselves.

Know how many whites Mexicans Chinese Cubans Japanese Jews do not vote? We are to busy working to vote to. Apparently blacks need more excuses then every other race. Asians were not persecuted? Come on man we locked them up for WWII. We treated them as slaves to build are railroads. Are they asking for excuses? Yeah yeah I just do not understand history of blacks an why there black on black crime is not the problem. Blame us, the victims, instead the perpetrators.
 
dalamon said:
So if you were in congress, and Bernie dropped another Democracy Day bill on your desk: One day holiday, making sure that working class people working 18 hours a day trying to overcome starvation wages (and avoiding getting fired). No strings attached, just one day holiday. Hell, make it on a Saturday or Sunday too.

Do you say yes, or no? And pretend I'm one of your working class constituents & tell me why you don't support making a single day a national holiday.
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To be completely honest, unless if it's a paid holiday, I doubt they would love the idea. Just another day that they don't get the wages they need.

I mean, I'm often too busy with work to go vote. I declare myself an absentee, they mail the ballot to me, I fill it out and send it in, pretty simple.

With that said, I don't care if we have a holiday for voting. I think it's stupid, and fairly unnecessary (if people want to vote, they'll find a way)...but it's not a big deal. I'll be working anyways most likely.
 
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