Republicans created Trump
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Joe Bagadonuts
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I think the importance of VP is generally overrated while the cabinet members are generally underrated. I've heard suggestions that Trump might announce some of his cabinet members before the election. That could be very interesting.
Jamezz
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Not important at all, we'd be going from being friends with Russia who is currently leading the operation in the ME against ISIS, to basically the opposite (given that anything happened to Trump).
The three have a history of supporting a very interventionist foreign policy, exactly what the US doesn't need at this moment. I really don't know what Trump is thinking with this one.
Yes because pre-WWII world was such a great world to live in. God damn the USA for creating world peace! We should give up the quest today an accept the monetary costs an death tolls of a viscious world yah? Throw away all are progress because anti war liberals have no stomach for violence. Guess what [MENTION=2931]Jamezz[/MENTION] we give up now we create MORE war not less.
You an [MENTION=1988]Stoked[/MENTION] remind me of pre WWII America refusing to cure the world. Look how many extra casualties your attitudes cost us. Shame on you.
World peace. Hahahahahahaha
This is why you are Captain Oblivious. Wrapped up in your bubble. World strife has steadily declined ever since America decided to be world police. You can look up the facts. We ARE creating world peace. God Bless Miss America.
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I do endorse teh pics even if I have to endure boris
Joe Bagadonuts
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Recent polling shows that even though Clinton has outspent Trump by a ginormous amount ($57 million to $4 million) (he hasn't even started running ads while she's spent a ton) he has closed the gap. It's now a dead heat, and he's ahead in several key swing states. A lot will happen before the election, but Dems who thought this was going to be easy will have another thing coming. Trump took all his competition by surprise so far, and somehow he seems to be doing the same thing to Hillary.
I was listening to MSNBC this morning. A Clinton insider claimed they were prepared to spend over $2 billion against Trump! The crazy thing is if she does that I could see him successfully turning it against her. Career politicians don't seem to be able to grasp how sick people are of what feels like a rigged system. Hillary getting off on the email scandal despite the mountain of evidence against her (especially the way Comey laid it out which is certain to play in many campaign ads) might have been the worst possible outcome for the Dems.
I was listening to MSNBC this morning. A Clinton insider claimed they were prepared to spend over $2 billion against Trump! The crazy thing is if she does that I could see him successfully turning it against her. Career politicians don't seem to be able to grasp how sick people are of what feels like a rigged system. Hillary getting off on the email scandal despite the mountain of evidence against her (especially the way Comey laid it out which is certain to play in many campaign ads) might have been the worst possible outcome for the Dems.
JimLes
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This is it? Are you kidding me? I ask how Hillary will ruin the country and you bring up a couple of things that she maybe lied about? Not specific policies, not parts of her platform, not how she's planning to do this or that and it'll affect the economy or foreign relations or anything like that? Hillary is as bad as Trump because she might have lied once or twice?
The things you listed are the biggest problem facing the country and therefore, Hillary is a horrible choice? Benghazi and some ****ing emails?! No wonder you don't get why black people, gay people, or just about everyone else in the country is so mad. When your biggest problem in life is Benghazi and an email server, life must be pretty damn good.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Many moderates are going to decide not to vote for her because the facts demonstrate that she is corrupt. I realize that the far left like you have no choice but to support her at this point. I'll bet you wish you could be backing a candidate with a lot less flaws, though.
JimLes
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First of all, I want Trump to win and not Hillary. To teach you all a lesson and possibly give the US a blow it will never recover from, but still, I want Trump to win.
And who cares about whether a politician is a liar, corrupt, or whatever? Don't you vote based on what they're going to do and what they promise to do? I sure as hell do. I don't vote based on their moral value system. I don't care if they cheat on their spouses, lie, cover up their lies, drink, get DUIs or whatever else. I vote based on who I believe will do a better job.
If you believe Trump will do a better job than Hillary(and you do, so stop pretending and beating around the bush), then say so. Say so and offer specific evidence from their platforms and from things they've said and promised. But don't pretend like Hillary is as bad if not worse than Trump in order to justify yourself supporting Trump. Which is what you're obviously doing.
Joe Bagadonuts
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You are a world class buffoon.
JimLes
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Ah, I see, we're now going with insults because you cannot answer my simple question. I'll repeat it, just in case you want to pretend you don't know what I'm asking.
What specific policies has Hillary outlined in her platform, talked about in her speeches, or even tweeted, that will be ruinous to your country?
And if you're game, here's another couple. What specific religious, ethnic, cultural, gender, identity groups has Hillary insulted or belittled during her campaign? What public figures, domestic and foreign, has she insulted or belittled in her campaign?
You want pics in response to this? I think not!
Joe Bagadonuts
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Hillary has used her power for corrupt purposes. She and her husband have earned speaking fees of as much as three quarters of a million dollars for one event. Do you think that's because they are so incredible at inspiring a crowd? Why do you think the payers of those fees have benefited to the tune of tens of millions of dollars and more as a result of decisions that the Clinton's have made subsequent to the speeches.
I called you a buffoon partly because you claim to want the worst for America, but also because you want to pretend that Hillary's lies are meaningless, when anyone who cares to look into them knows that they are anything but that. I recommend that you don't look into the uranium deal that Hillary made with Putin or the massive donations that came to the Clinton Foundation and the speaking fees that Bill earned in Moscow at virtually the same time if you want to maintain your claim that her lies and corruption are something we must accept from our politicians. Don't look into what the Clinton's did for Hati after the earthquake either because it would destroy your apparent impression of who they are. Then again, you have already admitted to wanting the worst for our country so you probably think this stuff is good.
Will Trump will put his country before himself? I doubt it. He is all about gaming the system.
And all things being equal between Trump and Clinton gaming the system, JimLes' questions are important. Who has Hillary insulted or belittled during the campaign? And who has Trump insulted or belittled?
This is the essence of why Trump could be dangerous as President. He is chronically tempestuous. Even the smallest matters upset him and elicit vindictive responses.
Do you view his personal and group attacks as a strength or a weakness?
Again Joe, ask yourself-- why is every elected Republican against that policy? Every Canadian employer is required by law to give employees time off to vote on election day. Your anecdote doesn't answer my question
This is a very valid point all around against republicans, but I also get Joe's p.o.v. as well. By far the largest recent problem IMO is republicans doing a whole lot of gerrymandering to maintain voting privilege. (And no, I'm not providing you and Cockroach an article.)
I could be convinced but I don't think a national holiday to vote will do anything to increase voter turnout. I am surprised you think this is really that big of an issue. I am, however, in favor of rules that increase access to voting such as Utah's recent measure to create proxy voting by mail. I have not seen Ballot boxes in more successful neighborhoods but I have seen them in areas in Rose Park (one of the poorer areas of Utah). I would like to see more of this access to voting, even if the voices might tend to be against what I believe.
**Edit** I've been attempting some research and here is what I have found: Self described conservatives and liberals each represent an equal portion of the welfare population. The reason I chose welfare was apolitical. It was because I thought that was possibly the best way to objectively measure outcome as the voting base has no excuse for needing a day off to vote.
It turns out welfare recipients do not represent anywhere near the voter outcome % as the affluent. Anecdotally, all this tells me that a national holiday would do little to represent the democratic ticket that is being pushed for by the voter holiday democrats.
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