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Another slaying of police officers (in Baton Rouge)

RIP officers.

Out of this trash thread. Getting worse by the post.
 
Honestly, we need to look at the gun culture we've planted over the past few decades. The sheer ease of obtaining weapons and the inflammatory rhetoric. I mean, you can't go a week without hearing either a politican or a NRA rep talk about how the 2nd amendment protects citizens' gun rights in case they need to protect her selves against a tyrannical government.

Today?

Blacks continue to live impoverished, continue to feel oppressed, and now via smart phones and social media, can show these injustices more quickly.

So we can either act Childish, like stoked and continue to stick our heads in the sand and pretend like racism doesn't exist. Or, have a serious discussion about guns and race.

If I'm a black person, I may not support these actions. But I certainly understand why this is happening. If definitely, if I were black, feel more oppressed and therefore more inclined to view this government as an oppressive government that needs to be fought against than if I were white.

I know I know, I'm just like Obama. I'm not supporting the cops, hate whites, and forgetting that "all lives matter." I know I know, I've seen this all too many times before as an excuse for people to enact zero change.
 
Gavin Long was a 29 year old black male. College-educated, graduated Dean's List from U of Alabama in 2012. To those wondering.
 
dalamon said:
technically 3, seeing as JimLes liked it too. I don't think Thrill is being that inflammatory.
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dalamon said:
two things:

i) my thoughts are with the families of these officers. I bet they were probably some of the nicest ones-- the good always die early
ii) how much longer until people start launching arguments about firearms not being safe in the hands of Black people?
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dalamon said:
is there any history of this argument? Cuz there's a history of people wanting the 2nd Amendment to not apply to blacks.
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The Thriller said:
Actually, for half of our country's history, blacks legally couldn't own weapons.

Hell, they've only had the right to vote and use the same bathroom facilities for a little over 50 years.
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Holy God. Did I just figure out time travel? This feels like 1879 or smth.
 
Its pretty sad the lack of support cops are getting here on Jazzfanz and in America in general.

One of the cops shot dead was a black man. Blacklivesmatter? Ya right, this is a war on cops by criminals. And all the excuse making liberals are happy about it and are enabling it with their rhetoric. What a damn shame. This is a new low for liberals. What a bunch of ungrateful morons. You are the party for criminals. We all know it.

RIP to those officers. I feel for their families. They deserved better.

To all the cops in America. I appreciate the sacrifice you make volunteering to do a very tough job. Me and my family cant thank you enough.
 
Hack said:
Its pretty sad the lack of support cops are getting here on Jazzfanz and in America in general.

One of the cops shot dead was a black man. Blacklivesmatter? Ya right, this is a war on cops by criminals. And all the excuse making liberals are happy about it and are enabling it with their rhetoric. What a damn shame. This is a new low for liberals. What a bunch of ungrateful morons. You are the party for criminals. We all know it.

RIP to those officers. I feel for their families. They deserved better.

To all the cops in America. I appreciate the sacrifice you make volunteering to do a very tough job. Me and my family cant thank you enough.
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This is one of the main problems we have right now. We have police shooting innocent people. We have people shooting innocent cops. Then we have people trying to politicise the issue, like you, instead of trying to solve the problem and fix it. You want to bring political parties into the equation or talk about liberals as the problem. The problem is bad people doing bad things. This includes liberals, conservatives, cops as well as the people shooting cops. There are plenty of great cops (most of them). There are some bad ones as well. Let's fix the racism and let's fix the system for training and hiring police who have so much power. Let's hold police to a higher standard than people who have less power. Yes, let's praise the good cops we have and ask them to stand up for what's right even to other cops. Stop trying to blame the "other side." Good people in America are trying to make world a better place on both sides of the issues. Take the time to see issues from both sides and the world will be a better place. Stop letting politicians talk you into blaming the other party for problems because they are out to advance their party and their careers. We have problems, don't blame people who are trying to fix it even if it's different from the way you think it should be fixed. It's easier to see differences but it's much more productive to find similarities.

No one thinks all cops are bad and if they do it's in very poor uneducated misguided communities that need help to escape a very vicious cycle working against them. But it's ignorant to think all cops are good people and are always going to make the right decision under pressure. Let's figure out how to weed out the bad ones early and help good ones make better choices under pressure. I enjoy volunteering at the police station for lots of different trainings they go through. Most the cops are awesome to work with. I don't think liberals or conservatives or any other silly generic label that fits no one want police shot or police shooting people that are not endangering others lives.

This rant is over and this post probably has a lot of typos in it.

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Also on a side note (rant not over) if you consider yourself 100 percent Republican or 100 percent Democrat and your not a politician you need to educate yourself more on issues and stop listening to one side only. Parties were made and exist so that people with different ideas can band together and get those ideas pushed through the system. Joining or voting for a party means or should mean you are sacrificing some of your beliefs to push your greater beliefs. Buying into one party all the way means you probably got a little brain washed somewhere along the line...

Mostly this rant isn't directed at the person quoted, just stuff that's been bugging me lately.

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ONE LOVE said:
I really don't get why they're shooting black cops... that's so strange.
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It's like, why steal tvs when Rodney King was beaten.. doesn't have to make sense.

These guys called 911 to lure cops to a gas station and then ambushed them. I'm sure they hoped they'd be white, but oh well.. let's just shoot us some cops.
 
The Thriller said:
Obviously I don't condone the actions of those in Dallas and now Baton Rouge, but isn't this what the 2nd amendment is supposed to be used for according to advocates of the NRA and 2nd amendment rights?

You have a group of people within the black race here in America, that feel like their government has become so oppressive to their rights and so irresponsive to their needs, that their only recourse is violence. Right now they're lashing out at police. Tomorrow? It could be politicians, teachers, and other public employees.

To me, this is becoming an interesting paradox where decades of anti-government rhetoric and pro guns propaganda worshipping the founding fathers and idolizing a time when local militias armed with guns took down a government. Right? This might be the natural consequence of a populace feeling abused and being armed to the teeth.

Aren't these guys acting out in the way that the NRA and the like have suggested we act out if the government becomes oppressive?

Again, I don't condone their actions nor am I advocating for gun control. I just am trying to see through these guys' eyes and understand why they're doing what they're doing. The irrational actions of these black individuals though radical and drastic, I think are an outward manifestation of the black community as a whole. They are feeling desperate and angry at a government that they view as increasingly oppressive. And are merely exercising their 2nd amendment rights in the way that the NRA and 2nd amendment activists have instructed.
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I don't think anyone advocates ambushing random government employees. Where is their logic and specific ideology behind it all? What massive faction of people did they recruit and garner support from to shoot some police officers this weekend?

I believe the 2nd amendment to be around for the reasons you say, but it's sooo dated. All those dudes know of a revolution against an oppressive government is the one they had just experienced, which happened over 200 years ago. This isn't how they envision a sort of revolution or acting against an oppressive government imo (but can never know anyway). I think the founding fathers would consider this act to be as egregious as the general public does. Some of the more radical militia groups might agree with your point, but I'm guessing the general population condemns this behavior nearly unanimously, even if the person in question believes to be acting rationally and completely within the limits of his/her moral compass.

Although, this event is quite similar to something that preludes a revolution. Like some Boston Massacre ish or smth.

Anyway, I really believe that if this ish keeps happening, and nothing constructive is done about it again (instead of passing blame and watching the inevitable emergence of more radical groups and ideas - groups and ideas that directly combat each other), the government will flex its muscle even more. I think someday there will have to be a revolution, or we'll all just work for the state.

Clearly, some people have an issue with how the nation is progressing on this particular topic: An awful lot of black lives have been taken in a very questionable and/or egregious manner by law enforcement. Thousands have protested, numerous movements have been developed, and that was all before the most recent wave of shootings. So of course some people are going to start thinking in the manner Thriller discussed (although I doubt it involved elegant rhetoric surrounding the constitution and 2nd amendment - probably more like, "Okay, these people aren't ****ing listening to me/us and we/I need to do something more to make them listen!" (which is the exact same thinking Thriller discussed - it just omits the constitutional rationalization)) cuz for them, it doesn't seem like any of these non-violent movements have worked.

So no, I don't believe the 2nd amendment is meant to condone this particular type of behavior, but that's just my opinion of course. Interpretation may vary.

But, obviously, I agree with Thriller that it shouldn't be a surprise that anyone would think this way.
 
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