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[moevillini]

Regarding PC language

We shouldn't judge a book by its cover but sometimes we do.

And I suppose we shouldn't judge a person by the words they use, but sometimes we do. Particularly if it's someone we don't know whose overall views are unfamiliar to us.

It boils down to a matter of respect, and that works both ways. A speaker shows respect to the subject under discussion by using acceptable language; listeners are likely to show less respect to a speaker who chooses to use inflammatory words and language, unless they already share the same beliefs.

Those who get overly excised over political correctness should pay more attention to the underlying issues.

If you're trying to convince people that your viewpoint has merit, it's best not to use inflammatory rhetoric at either extreme of the p/c spectrum.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Those who support the idea that PC is ruining the country must love the Black Lives Matter group, especially the most radical ones who are expressing their viewpoints without worrying about how it makes others feel.

Wait, let me guess. That's not what you meant at all. What you really mean is that white, cisgendered, straight, middle-class-to-wealthy, American born males are the ones that get to say whatever they want regardless of the feelings of others. All others are whiners for doing the same thing. Do I have that right?

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Not even close.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Read some of these quotes and then tell me that he is a good example as a father:

https://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html

And his kids ARE douchebags.

You are.

I'm not the one who has to build myself up by claiming how rich and successful I am. BTW, I don't believe for a second that you are who you say you are. You sir, are the douche... very obviously as referenced by your love of using bankruptcies to pad your pockets.

Lmao...

Like I need you to believe who I am to make me who I am.
Unfortunately. Many here know I am what I purport.
So **** you.

Really? So people here can confirm that you are a douchebag developer who likes to use bankruptcy laws to fleece people?

C'mon Dr.

Obviously you wanted to pick a fight with me without any provocation by calling me a douchebag and ****ing with me over the last couple of days. Well now you got it. Are you not the conceited rich douche you purport yourself to be?

Wow... that is truly some THIN skin there breh. That all started because I offended you with a "You are."

But I'm sorry though. Srsly. My bad. Peace.

 

[str8line]

If we get into a lifestyle comp you will end it with a "who cares."

So cocksure, aren't you? Maybe I'll bite. Maybe we'll even put a wager on it and let the board decide.

 

[Stoked]

Regarding PC language

We shouldn't judge a book by its cover but sometimes we do.

And I suppose we shouldn't judge a person by the words they use, but sometimes we do. Particularly if it's someone we don't know whose overall views are unfamiliar to us.

It boils down to a matter of respect, and that works both ways. A speaker shows respect to the subject under discussion by using acceptable language; listeners are likely to show less respect to a speaker who chooses to use inflammatory words and language, unless they already share the same beliefs.

Those who get overly excised over political correctness should pay more attention to the underlying issues.

If you're trying to convince people that your viewpoint has merit, it's best not to use inflammatory rhetoric at either extreme of the p/c spectrum.

Points of disagreement. There is no consensus on what language is "acceptable" and what language isn't. There will never be as people are offended by different things. Nor is there consensus on how respect is shown. If some comes at me plain and honest, even if the opinion is ugly, that shows respect. They are treating me as an adult that can handle a tough opinion. Not with kid gloves by coddling their opinion. There is a gap there IMO. A rather large one.

Now obviously that doesn't cover being a jerk, racist...

 

[Stoked]

So cocksure, aren't you? Maybe I'll bite. Maybe we'll even put a wager on it and let the board decide.

I've decided. I don't care.

 

[Dr. Jones]

^besides, I apologized last page.

I have to do better at discerning internet personas.
I will stick to engaging in banter with the Cy's, CL's, Stoked, bern, etc...

 

[Dr. Jones]

Those that laugh at the "you are" type posts.
There's no right way or wrong way, but I will try to be less offensive to those here that may take it wrong.

Oh, and NAOS. He's in that group too.. that we can beat up on and he laughs it off.
And franklin.
Any many more.

 

[Harambe]

I've smelt butt hurt for days in GD. Glad I finally found where it was coming from.

 

[Dr. Jones]

And Joebag can take it too. [MENTION=639]Joe Bagadonuts[/MENTION]

See watch..

Hey Joe, you should change your name from Joe to douche.

Douchebagadonuts

 

[moevillini]

Points of disagreement. There is no consensus on what language is "acceptable" and what language isn't. There will never be as people are offended by different things. Nor is there consensus on how respect is shown. If some comes at me plain and honest, even if the opinion is ugly, that shows respect. They are treating me as an adult that can handle a tough opinion. Not with kid gloves by coddling their opinion. There is a gap there IMO. A rather large one.

Now obviously that doesn't cover being a jerk, racist...

Agree with much of this.

BUT there are certain words that become unacceptable for various reasons. The "n-word" for one, ****** (might be bleeped, it's a derogatory term for a homosexual), the c-word for women, and retard/retarded are some examples. People who continue to use those terms when they know the effect they have, are, in my opinion, purposely using inflammatory language to create a specific reaction and I will lose respect for whatever they have to say if they keep using those words.

My main thesis is that people who get overly upset about political correctness (whether there's too much or not enough) and can't read or listen to a statement without jumping over its degree of "pc-ness" should try to get over it.

 

[Stoked]

Agree with much of this.

BUT there are certain words that become unacceptable for various reasons. The "n-word" for one, ****** (might be bleeped, it's a derogatory term for a homosexual), the c-word for women, and retard/retarded are some examples. People who continue to use those terms when they know the effect they have, are, in my opinion, purposely using inflammatory language to create a specific reaction and I will lose respect for whatever they have to say if they keep using those words.

My main thesis is that people who get overly upset about political correctness (whether there's too much or not enough) and can't read or listen to a statement without jumping over its degree of "pc-ness" should try to get over it.

I'd agree with that. To me that is just being a jerk, racist...

I think it is done to a degree that is a problem. But overly upset? To the point of shutting down? I agree.

 

[Stoked]

^besides, I apologized last page.

I have to do better at discerning internet personas.
I will stick to engaging in banter with the Cy's, CL's, Stoked, bern, etc...

I made the list. woot woot lol

 

[JazzGal]

Of course not. That wasn't fair in the least... at least not for the majority.
I believe everyone should be able to express their point of view on any matter. Of course the line should be drawn at physical violence... As that's not "speech."

Where am I wrong? What are the situations where people complain about PC? Gay rights. Women's rights. Civil rights. What do they all have in common? Who are the ones complaining?

I didn't mention anything about physical violence - that isn't part of the PC conversation. Of course that is not appropriate for anyone in most any situation.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I made the list. woot woot lol

Shut up.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

And Joebag can take it too. [MENTION=639]Joe Bagadonuts[/MENTION]

See watch..

Hey Joe, you should change your name from Joe to douche.

Douchebagadonuts

I like Joe Bagadouches better, but I'm stuck with the name I was born with.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Agree with much of this.

BUT there are certain words that become unacceptable for various reasons. The "n-word" for one, ****** (might be bleeped, it's a derogatory term for a homosexual), the c-word for women, and retard/retarded are some examples. People who continue to use those terms when they know the effect they have, are, in my opinion, purposely using inflammatory language to create a specific reaction and I will lose respect for whatever they have to say if they keep using those words.

My main thesis is that people who get overly upset about political correctness (whether there's too much or not enough) and can't read or listen to a statement without jumping over its degree of "pc-ness" should try to get over it.

I mostly agree with what you're saying, but to me if someone uses the n-word it tells me more about them than the person they're directing it at. The part of PC that bothers me is where it effects our ability to respond to a problem. The most obvious example is terrorism caused by Islamic extremists.

Take the Orlando shooting as an example. The shooter called 911 and pledged his support to the leader of ISIS. He referenced Allah mumerous times and made other claims that proved the reason he was carrying out the attack. But when our government released their initial transcript of the 911 call they scrubbed all of that out. They completely removed the sections where he made any sort of reference related to ISIS. They changed the word "Allah" to "God." In other words, they made a concerted effort for PC reasons to give the public false information about the event. I'd be very interested in hearing your defense of that aspect of political correctness (and I could give you many, many more examples of political correctness that falls into this category both about terrorists and about other issues).

 

[JazzGal]

I mostly agree with what you're saying, but to me if someone uses the n-word it tells me more about them than the person they're directing it at. The part of PC that bothers me is where it effects our ability to respond to a problem. The most obvious example is terrorism caused by Islamic extremists.

Take the Orlando shooting as an example. The shooter called 911 and pledged his support to the leader of ISIS. He referenced Allah mumerous times and made other claims that proved the reason he was carrying out the attack. But when our government released their initial transcript of the 911 call they scrubbed all of that out. They completely removed the sections where he made any sort of reference related to ISIS. They changed the word "Allah" to "God." In other words, they made a concerted effort for PC reasons to give the public false information about the event. I'd be very interested in hearing your defense of that aspect of political correctness (and I could give you many, many more examples of political correctness that falls into this category both about terrorists and about other issues).

Interesting about the Orlando shooting transcript. I find the FBI explanation interesting, but not sure I agree. However, I suppose there is some validity to trying to defuse a situation and not create copycat scenarios, although I'm not sure that this method accomplishes that.

Here's the coverage I found:

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/nation-now/orlando-shooting/first-transcript-of-911-call-from-shooter-in-orlando-pulse-nightclub-shooting-released/250370491

The released transcript is a 50-second conversation between the shooter and a 911 dispatcher. FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Ron Hopper, said that some of the transcript has been redacted, but after a large outcry from Federal and State officials, the full transcripts were released.

The FBI is not going to propagate hateful rhetoric that might inspire like-minded "cowards," like the Orlando shooter, to act similarly, Hopper said.

"He [the shooter] does not represent the religion of Islam, but a perverted view," said Hopper. He also stated that the shooter was "radicalized domestically."

. . .

Bentley came forward at the end of the press conference to assure the public that these redactions were lawful and not an effort from the FBI or assisting authority agencies to keep information from the public.

I don't consider deception to be the same thing as PC, and I think this falls more into the deception/protection category.

 

[JazzGal]

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[moevillini]

I mostly agree with what you're saying, but to me if someone uses the n-word it tells me more about them than the person they're directing it at. The part of PC that bothers me is where it effects our ability to respond to a problem. The most obvious example is terrorism caused by Islamic extremists.

Take the Orlando shooting as an example. The shooter called 911 and pledged his support to the leader of ISIS. He referenced Allah mumerous times and made other claims that proved the reason he was carrying out the attack. But when our government released their initial transcript of the 911 call they scrubbed all of that out. They completely removed the sections where he made any sort of reference related to ISIS. They changed the word "Allah" to "God." In other words, they made a concerted effort for PC reasons to give the public false information about the event. I'd be very interested in hearing your defense of that aspect of political correctness (and I could give you many, many more examples of political correctness that falls into this category both about terrorists and about other issues).

But they also had strong reasons to doubt it really had any connection to radical Islam or ISIS and so in this specific instance I think they were correct in what they did.

Otherwise his homosexual/homophobic leanings - which were the stronger motivations for his action - probably would not have come to light because it would have been dismissed as motivated by radical Islam.

And major efforts would have been directed towards uncovering an ISIS cell in the Orlando area.