Gülenist NBA player Enes Kanter disowned by family for ties with FETÖ

[Siro]

Man, you could not make my answer more difficult. I know my parents would never do it but in theory I would be honest and leave decision to them. There is just no way back to Catholicism for me.

Right. So it can't be that hard to sympathize with Kanter. He's not a member of some crazy cult that's eating babies. He's a follower of a pretty normal ideology, that happened to be against the official doctrine of the current Turkish head-of-state.

 

[addictionary]

I hope he can recover. Not something for every stomach to digest.

 

[MVP]

Right. So it can't be that hard to sympathize with Kanter. He's not a member of some crazy cult that's eating babies. He's a follower of a pretty normal ideology, that happened to be against the official doctrine of the current Turkish head-of-state.

I do feel sorry for him.

 

[Hekate]

My understanding is that Gulenists want a more modern and inclusive version of Islam.

By brainwashing. I wish ECTYA was here to talk about these stuff.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm watching Australia vs Serbia in the Olympics. Pretty good game. At least it has more relevance to the Jazz than this subject...

How did jingles do?

 

[Siro]

By brainwashing. I wish ECTYA was here to talk about these stuff.

That's how all religion works .

 

[Deleted member 848]

By brainwashing. I wish ECTYA was here to talk about these stuff.

Yeah ECTYA always talked about them negatively

 

[addictionary]

Yeah ECTYA always talked about them negatively

Because he saw them from inside. Everyone who happen to know more or less about Enes' cult knows that they garnish the real feelings and intentions with the love for science, conversation between religions, modernist Islam view etc. Only Allah knows what each and every one of us' real intention is but I usually saw their members and leader as sneaky people that always hid things back when they are smiling. These guys are extremely well organized at capturing every place of power and effect. And their entire understanding of dodging enemy attacks is not having an enemy by playing to the right horse. They would still be ****ting all over Turkey hand to hand with Erdoğan if they did not get into a fight. People die and will keep dying because of those two's power struggle. Historical witch hunt is on the way for Gülen's people in Turkey and it is devastating them psychologically. Enes had his share of going a little off since he is not the brightest star on the sky. I fear what Fethullah has installed in his mind. If you have CIA behind you, anything can happen. On the other side of things, if you are a co-president for the Grand Middle East Project of Western civilization, anything can happen.

 

[addictionary]

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/highl...as-a-new-name-and-why-his-family-disowned-him

When a dude in the NBA starts off one of those screen-capped Twitter screeds with "Hey Universe, hear my voice," well, people listen.Enes Kanter—he of the Thunder frontcourt, the earnest mustache, the corny jokes, the brilliant offense and shaky defense—has been having a rough summer. Kanter is Turkish, and his country has been reeling from the past few months of violence and suspicion, between the ISIS attacks, a continuing Kurdish separatist movement, and a failed coup d'etat by the Turkish military.
An American might imagine that Enes Kanter, a 24-year-old goofball and seemingly the highest-profile Turk in the United States, would be beyond suspicion. That American would be wrong. Kanter's "Hey Universe!" decree was a little weird and more than a little sad. He announced, in his native language, that his family has disowned him and that he has a new name: Enes Gülen.
The new surname didn't come out of the blue, of course. Enes chose to take on the name of Pennsylvania-based preacher of world peace and inter-religious understanding Fethullah Gülen, a Muslim cleric that Kanter has supported both via social media and through fundraising. Kanter went to Gülen-funded schools as a kid and aligns himself with the movement that followers call Hizmet, or "service."
The catch here is that Turkey's president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, believes Gülen to be behind that failed coup. Thousands of Gülen-aligned teachers, military officers, and businessmen have been arrested in what Erdogan's opponents are calling a "purge."
It must be tough being a public face of Hizmet when Erdogan says stuff like "every cent given to Gülen is a bullet placed in a barrel to be fired against this nation." But Kanter is indeed giving lots and lots of cents to Gülen, which raises a big question: Is Enes Kanter really being guided by a man who is plotting the destruction of a country with 80 million residents? The answer to that is, uh, complicated, and mostly boils down to "who knows?" The Turkish government wants the United States to extradite Gülen (the cleric, not the big man) for trial in Turkey, but the US isn't convinced yet. For what it's worth, the cleric denies all charges and openly wonders if the coup was a false-flag operation. No objective investigators have figured out who precisely ordered tanks to roll through Istanbul on July 15th. Which makes Enes Kanter a 6'11'' pawn tweeting about and in the midst of grand political intrigue. (If you were curious, Hedo Turkoglu's Twitter account is currently all about Erdoğan.)
There's also a smaller, sadder, question: What's up with the Kanters? Enes' father, Mehmet, told Turkish media, "I apologize to the Turkish people and the president for having such a son." It's hard to tell if this is heartfelt loss or a terrified man making a political decision, but it's sad either way.
Enes is far from home. "Today I lost my father, my mother, my siblings and all of my relatives of 24 years," he wrote in his Hey Universe statement. He went on to describe his upbringing and a life of learning from Fethullah Gülen's organization. "God exists, grief does not," Enes concluded. He signed it "Enes (Kanter) GÜLEN."

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[♪alt13]

And what if your family demanded you either convert back to Catholicism or they'd disown you. Which one would you sacrifice? Your family or your ideology?

I would like to think that I am brave enough to put myself in harms way for my ideology, luckily I have not been put in that situation. I would never sacrifice any member of my family for my ideological views. I would totally convert to whatever bogus religion I had to if I thought my family was in real danger or would have a more difficult life if didn't. I couldn't continue to live in luxury and put them through that. It's a no brainer. God ain't real, my family is.

Right. So it can't be that hard to sympathize with Kanter. He's not a member of some crazy cult that's eating babies. He's a follower of a pretty normal ideology, that happened to be against the official doctrine of the current Turkish head-of-state.

My understanding is that the Gulenist are pushing a "moderate" form of Islam that is anti-secular. It doesn't seem like a religious cult(no more so than any other religion) but it does seem like a political cult. The Gulenists helped the AKP purge the Turkish state of secular bureaucrats and now they have turned on one another in a bid to control the future of a "moderate" theocratic state.

EDIT: It appears Erdogan and the AKP won

 

[Siro]

I would like to think that I am brave enough to put myself in harms way for my ideology, luckily I have not been put in that situation. I would never sacrifice any member of my family for my ideological views. I would totally convert to whatever bogus religion I had to if I thought my family was in real danger or would have a more difficult life if didn't. I couldn't continue to live in luxury and put them through that. It's a no brainer. God ain't real, my family is.



My understanding is that the Gulenist are pushing a "moderate" form of Islam that is anti-secular. It doesn't seem like a religious cult(no more so than any other religion) but it does seem like a political cult. The Gulenists helped the AKP purge the Turkish state of secular bureaucrats and now they have turned on one another in a bid to control the future of a "moderate" theocratic state.

EDIT: It appears Erdogan and the AKP won

Thanks for the info. I don't really know much about them.

Also, we're talking about sacrifice in a different context than the one you describe.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

"For this guy"? Do you have no principles?

So because I don't want to associate with someone willing to off their parents for another guy means I have no principles?

 

[Siro]

So because I don't want to associate with someone willing to off their parents for another guy means I have no principles?

LOL. Not what I meant. Also, I don't even think you understand what's going on with the Kanter situation (it's the opposite of what you said). So I don't know where to start.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

LOL. Not what I meant. Also, I don't even think you understand what's going on with the Kanter situation (it's the opposite of what you said). So I don't know where to start.

This is the paragraph I'm referring to.

Kanter also tweets Gülen's weekly conversations. He recently tweeted that he would sacrifice his mother, father and whole family for Gülen's sake.




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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Article also called this organization a terror group


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[♪alt13]

Thanks for the info. I don't really know much about them.

Also, we're talking about sacrifice in a different context than the one you describe.

I really don't know anything about Kanter's family or what he said. As a hypothetical I would definitely publicly drop my atheism for the welfare of my family. Would I do it because they threatened to disown me? No, I probably wouldn't. I would be disappointed in them, not myself. Again I'm lucky that my family isn't religious enough to make such demands.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So because I don't want to associate with someone willing to off their parents for another guy means I have no principles?

1. Have you seen the tweet?
2. If the tweet does exist, it's probably in Turkish, meaning it could have been translated poorly.
3. Sacrifice could simply mean he was willing to sacrifice the support of his parents (having oontact w/) and not the literal sacrifice of their lives.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Article also called this organization a terror group


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Kind of makes you think the article might be from a bias source, no?

The fact you just read this one article about a topic you obviously have little prior knowledge about and are ready to draw final conclusions about the situation shows your intelligence level. Do you believe everything you read at face value?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Kind of makes you think the article might be from a bias source, no?

Not saying it's not but what makes u think it's bias? I here terror group and sacrifice and that's what I come away with.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not saying it's not but what makes u think it's bias? I here terror group and sacrifice and that's what I come away with.


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I did some research on it and I've read that the source has ties to the government. The fact they used that terminology is designed to influence gullible people like yourself into believing what they want you to believe.